Skip to main content

View Diary: Out of Control NSA Spied on U.N., E.U. (214 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Lawrence (17+ / 0-)

    I'd love to read the English version of the article. Thanks for the heads up about the German original.  I'm going to link this in my morning diary.

    I think it's pretty clear that this is a rogue agency and I'd say that our intelligence agencies as a whole are out of control.  The Congress, for sure, doesn't know what they're doing.  I think it's fair to say that there is a very good chance that the president doesn't either.  I simply can't believe that he and his hypervigilant communications team and political advisors, who are always assessing how every single thing affects his reputation, would keep making claims that later get shot down by facts from the Snowden documents. And it's easy to see how this could happen when you have an agency who oversees itself and decides what they will disclose their overseers.

    That big WaPo article by Gellman says that NSA's goal is to "collect everything".  Looks like they weren't kidding.  To me, it looks like megalomania.  What's even scarier is the increasing public-private partnerships.  As more and more money is poured into the next big thing, cybersecurity, there are even more partnerships and the venture capital is in this arena now.

    I just read an article about how cybersecurity start ups are booming and the investment money is pouring in.  That's one of the things that will make it really difficult to rein this in.  The intelligence industry is booming and a lot of people are getting rich from it. Plus, in an era when you've got the 1% sitting on so incredibly much money and looking for profitable ways to invest it, they're not going to want a cash cow shut down either.  This thing is out of control, and it's not just the NSA, in my opinion.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:46:38 AM PDT

    •  How many of those investors (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      blueoasis, joanneleon, Chi

      Are in congress or affiliated with those in congress?  Raises that issue of insider trading again, doesn't it?

    •  This is a spot-on thought: (5+ / 0-)
      The intelligence industry is booming and a lot of people are getting rich from it. Plus, in an era when you've got the 1% sitting on so incredibly much money and looking for profitable ways to invest it, they're not going to want a cash cow shut down either.  This thing is out of control, and it's not just the NSA, in my opinion.
      And, to embellish a little, the 1% sitting on such an enormous pile of money... and the 0.1% sitting on the immense majority of it, they need security assurances.

      Travel to enough third-world countries and then return to the USA over the years and you begin to see what we are doing to ourselves. Tearing down public institutions, reducing safety nets, eliminating government services, short-changing infrastructure all hurt the 99% more than the 1%.  

      The 1% doesn't have to care about all those things. And the lower the taxes, the more they love to pile up more money.

      But in every third-world country, the rich live behind high walls topped with electrified razor wire, with numerous armed guards (not to mention 'owning' the police and military), bullet-proof vehicles, helicopters and escape homes far from the maddening crowds.

      Our rich are nearing the point that they'll need protection from our own people. Make conditions so bad that people feel helpless and anything might happen.  Thus, domestic spying.

      Domestic spying for profit, as you mention, and domestic spying for their own safety from "mobs" such as Occupy Wall Street. They need and want domestic spying for many reasons. And, owning Congress, they'll likely get just what they want.

      The next obvious move is to make examples of those who threaten domestic spying and to make examples of a few who are caught via these programs... like handing the data over to the FBI, DEA, etc, etc, for arrests and imprisonment.

      An oppressive government does not brutalize everyone. Most people generally go about their own business. But an oppressive government DOES brutalize enough examples to keep everyone else in line. People often misunderstand that point.

      Manning was brutalized in a Navy brig for nearly three years as an example. Next up?

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 09:07:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site