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  •  Indo-Aryan Culture (6+ / 0-)

    Zoroastrianism didn't need to borrow anything from the Vedic religions, since both traced their roots back to the same Indo-European sources.  These two language families form one of the oldest groups in the eastern Indo-European language cluster.  Just looking at the names of the holy books (Avesta and Veda) will tell that to the careful observer.

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 05:39:06 PM PDT

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    •  Do you know of any attested religious text (1+ / 0-)
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      Ojibwa

      that is older than the Rigveda and contains the notions of heaven and hell?

      •  Getting Kind of Specific (2+ / 0-)
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        Notreadytobenice, Ojibwa

        So, I understand that the only "proof" acceptable is that produced from a literary society?  That means the only culture which counts is one which has a writing system?  That kind of narrows the field of acceptable cultures, doesn't it?  Some cultures might not feel that it is acceptable to actually write their religious beliefs anyway, so that entire skein of human thought would not be considered under this demand.  Besides, just which direction did the idea of heaven and hell flow, since the Indo-Aryan peoples moved west to east physically for most of the time before any of the religious ideas were committed to written form?

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 06:52:33 AM PDT

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        •  B4 writing t'is called prehistory... (2+ / 0-)
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          Ojibwa, PrahaPartizan

          Writing ain't been around that long. ~4K years?

          It's possible Zoroaster lived b4 folks were writing in "Persia."
          California Zoro website says:

          “Zoroaster” is most current of various Greek forms of his first name. He was born around 1738 B.C. in northeaster part of the Iranian Plateau.
          Ojibwa's Diary says more like ~700 B.C.

          I'm inclined to split the difference at ~1,200 B.C.
          That's about when Egyptians were worshiping one God-Aten.
          Not a coincidence, imo.

          Iranians and (Northern) Indians are from same stock. Also, Europeans are from this Proto Indo-European tribe.

          Picture bad-ass dudes invading your river valley. And there on friggin horses! That's Proto Indo Europeans. from the Caucuses.

          Hindu religious roots go back to the PI's but not much mono-theism ("not that that's a bad thing").

          This "one god" gig appears to be Persian/Egyptian at about the same time. And the Jews were in both places at one point or another.

          Ths shit has been going on for 5K years.

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      RiveroftheWest, Ojibwa

      I took a history of religion course from "The Great Courses" on this subject. The teacher spent several lectures about the Indo-European people who split off in two directions -- one going into Persia and eventually embracing Zoroastrianism. The other went into India and became Hinduism. Ain't history fun?

      Zoroastrian religion dominated the Persians for longer than Christianity dominated Europe -- from about 1200BCE until the Muslim conquest in the 600s.

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