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  •  Yes, I have... (13+ / 0-)

    ...not that it should matter.  I was a Spec 5 Correctional Specialist at the USDB at Ft. Leavenworth.

    •  Well, then as a Spec, wouldn't you agree (2+ / 0-)
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      that for enlisted ranks there would be almost no problems whatsoever? We've seen that in Britain. We can do that right way just by following their example.

      But with officers, they had problems they are just now fixing. So, I say lets see how its working with the British and follow along.

      And yes...they had to work through these same problems when they integrated the military as well. Took 20 years for us to get a general in command of integrated units.

      •  Your proposed "study" is basically... (9+ / 0-)

        ...a DADT for transpeople, you know.

        •  You see it however you want. (1+ / 0-)
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          quiet in NC

          But I know if the military is going to be helping servicemembers make gender transitions while on active duty, the first argument that will be brought up is disruption of missions. 'Unit cohesion' and what not. Just like with everyone get in line.

          Once we can prove that's not the case, that argument goes away. And that only leaves the bigotry.

          •  Wow. (3+ / 0-)
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            annieli, corvo, TheMomCat

            And you don't see the bigotry in your position.

            Just wow,

            Oh, linkies to bbb being a bigot.

            •  Meh. I been called worse. nt (4+ / 0-)
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            •  Nor do I (0+ / 0-)

              What if I were an active-duty servicewoman of a certain rank, and I felt heart and soul that I was incomplete because I hadn't carried, given birth to, and mothered a child?  But I was an officer on active duty.

              Would I be allowed to go on maternity leave?  (I don't know.)

              Whether or not I'd be allowed, would allowing me to go on leave be a good thing for unit cohesion?

              And is it sexist to seriously consider these questions?

              Besides, when you join the armed services, don't you have to accept a certain loss of autonomy?  

              A 47% return on investment--that's pretty doggoned good!

              by deminva on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 08:00:39 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

                I over-interpreted the discussion and jumped to the conclusion that BBB was against officers taking time away for surgery and/or hormone therapy.  

                I'm not sure how I feel about an officer simply "shifting" genders while remaining on active duty, although I could see how it could be a shock to unit cohesion.  And I wonder if there's not a lot of daylight between, on the one hand, the morality of allowing each of us to live with dignity as we feel we are truly meant to live, versus on the other the ethics of unit cohesion, which necessarily supersede many claims and needs we may have as individuals.  

                The comparison with desegregation seems apt:  The morality of desegregation was unquestionable, but practical realities meant that the armed forces couldn't rush.  You know: Would certain bigoted servicemen actually refuse to follow orders of an African American officer, and might that refusal lead to mission failure?  Hell, it's been --what -- two-thirds of a century since Truman desegregated the military, and we see the derangement of many on the right in response to having an African American commander in chief.  They want to impeach him because his skin is brown.  

                A 47% return on investment--that's pretty doggoned good!

                by deminva on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 08:20:01 PM PDT

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