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  •  James Carville as campaign manager! (6+ / 0-)

    He is without a doubt my favorite Democratic strategist on TV.

    I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat

    by OGGoldy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:41:00 AM PDT

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    •  He'll definitely be involved. (10+ / 0-)

      Begala as well.  

      It will be like the Blues Brothers - "We're putting the band back together", with Bill and Hillary driving around the country tracking down former aides, staffers, operatives.

      “I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I have many more documents on England’s spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did.” -G.Greenwald

      by Jacoby Jonze on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:45:09 AM PDT

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      •  The 1992 people are superior to the 2008 version (5+ / 0-)

        "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

        by conspiracy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:49:35 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I'm fine with Carville and Begala (1+ / 0-)
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        It surprised me that they didnt go to work for her full time in 2008. I wonder if that has ever been explained.

        Carville, I find, very annoying and irritating as a person, but I think he is good at his job.

        Carville/Begala + some Obama tech people(Teddy Goff, for example) and it will be a strong campaign.

        •  I've always liked Begala (6+ / 0-)

          He is like a toned down version of Carville.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:54:36 AM PDT

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        •  It's a "been there, done that" situation (4+ / 0-)
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          Once you've been in the leadership of a winning Presidential campaign, you've done it all.

          Carville and Begala have been making good money doing corporate work, and they have nothing left to prove in politics.

          45, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:13:58 AM PDT

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        •  I think she's in trouble with all those folks (6+ / 0-)

          She needs new blood, people familiar with how OFA does it.  That's how any future Democratic Presidential nominee needs to do it.  Campaigning is much more a science now, and it's better to promote people who have an experienced working knowledge of it.  When people point to Robby Mook who now runs the McAuliffe campaign, that's the kind of people to look to now.

          I'm pretty sure Carville and Begala haven't done nuts-and-bolts campaign work in a long time, they do corporate stuff now.

          45, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:17:32 AM PDT

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          •  True (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not saying I favor them. But if she has to pick a long time Clinton adviser to run the campaign, I would be fine with Carville/Begala with some Obama tech people.

            They are out of practice, which is why I dont favor them, but I think that "war room" mentality is a good one to have in any campaign.  

          •  She almost has to get new blood if she's the (0+ / 0-)

            nominee and especially if she runs from the outset and crushes it. For one thing, people who want to work on a campaign will work with her, or else they go to a lower race or nothing at all. And unless she's a complete idiot, or Bill is, they have to realize that things have changed and Obama's people, or people who aren't in their inner circle, don't know everything.

            "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

            by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:35:09 AM PDT

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          •  Hillary crashing and burning is more likely (1+ / 0-)
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            Than the press thinks it is. She is -not- a shoo-in if she runs, and if she doesn't realize this, we're in trouble.

            19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

            by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 09:12:40 AM PDT

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            •  That isn't likely at all (6+ / 0-)

              But isn't impossible. Frankly, I think the lightening striking twice people fail to see how much stronger she is than she ever was in 2008.

              "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

              by conspiracy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 09:16:43 AM PDT

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              •  LikelIER, not likely. (1+ / 0-)
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                I'm not saying she's not the favorite, she absolutely is, but she has nowhere to go but down.

                19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 09:33:31 AM PDT

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                •  It depends who runs (1+ / 0-)
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                  She could do with a challenge of sorts to shake the cobwebs away.

                  "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

                  by conspiracy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 09:35:57 AM PDT

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                  •  She'll get a challenge of sorts, (1+ / 0-)
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                    but it will be an extended audition for the VP spot, most likely.

                    "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                    by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 09:39:23 AM PDT

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                    •  I'm not really talking about a primary (0+ / 0-)

                      but a strong Republican opponent (i. e. Christie) could absolutely take her down if a relatively perfect storm happens. It's not likely, but it's made likelier by Democrats believing she's invincible. She's still the strongest candidate since... Clinton '96.

                      19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                      by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:16:18 AM PDT

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                      •  Chris Christie isn't strong (1+ / 0-)
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                        MichaelNY

                        That's a bigger error in judgment than the "Hillary is more vulnerable than the media thinks" comment you started off with.

                        He can't win electoral votes in states he needs to against Hillary.  There is no perfect storm that can deliver him Washington or Oregon or Michigan or Pennsylvania for sure.  

                        I can't think of what perfect storm makes Christie preferable to Clinton in Wisconsin, Minnesota or Ohio but I suppose it exists in theory.

                        While there is a perfect storm that could maybe get Christie VA or NC or FL or NV, I don't see any way he could win all 4.    

                        Add in the fact I expect Hillary's VP to come from either OH/VA/CO and she can probably lock down one of those states and take it off the board early.

                        "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

                        by rdw72777 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:31:01 AM PDT

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                        •  If Clinton is brought down from her standing (0+ / 0-)

                          among McCain-Romney voters who see her as above politics and different from Obama, she gets less than 60% with women and somewhat lower black turnout, Christie could probably flip enough suburban Rockefeller voters in places such as NOVA and the Philadelphia suburbs that he could eke out a win through NC-FL-CO-VA-OH-PA. I do believe that Christie has the potential to turn more suburban voters than people here think he can.

                          Again, there are several factors that have to fall into place for such a scenario to come true, also including a crappy national environment for the Democrats, a campaign more similar to Clinton '08 than Obama '12, the media turning on HRC et cetera, in order to remove Clinton's existing advantages.

                          All in all, I'd peg a Clinton-Christie race as one where Clinton wins around 75% of the time. I just want those who think that Clinton makes or breaks the race to calm down a bit.

                          19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                          by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:53:54 AM PDT

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                          •  Why do you think Christie (0+ / 0-)

                            can flip suburban voters more than other people here supposedly believe?

                            To be sure, aside from him and perhaps Walker and Jeb Bush, there's really nobody on their side who wouldn't lose to her by at least 7-10 points. And even Walker and Bush might be easily beaten.

                            "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                            by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:56:28 AM PDT

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                          •  His indie credentials hold up as much as Clinton's (0+ / 0-)

                            And he has a better chance of defying his party label in the long run, as Clinton has more of a record that her enemies can run on.

                            Note - CAN doesn't necessarily mean WILL flip.

                            19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                            by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:55:39 AM PDT

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                          •  You should do more analysis (1+ / 0-)
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                            MichaelNY

                            Not much of what you say is even remotely backed up by trends or reality.  

                            A Republican isn't winning Pennsylvania.  Dems romp in Philly and have won MontCo for several elections now (even Dan Onorato won it in 2010 and he was the worst candidate in a dreadful year) and the rest of the Philly burbs tend to even out (Bucks and Chester tend to be offset by DelCo).  Dems leave SEPA with an at least 350K vote margin in Pres years (more likely 400-500K) from the 5 big SEPA counties and there just aren't the votes elsewhere to over-turn that.

                            There are other trends in VA/CO that would defy your prediction also.  Hillary doesn't need anywhere close to 60% of women to win, so I'm not sure what that metric was thrown out for.

                            Also, that coalition of 6 states has gone GOP simulataneously in decades.  

                            "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

                            by rdw72777 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:10:13 AM PDT

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                          •  Yet PA is trending R relative to the nation. (0+ / 0-)

                            If the 2012 national results were in the line of 2004, PA would have gone Republican. Now, it's possible that Western PA will swing back to the Democrats with Clinton on the ticket and there are more variables to takei nto account, but if the national mood is remotely pro-Republican, PA will be one of the states that will be in play.

                            The 60% comment was meant to note that HRC of course would win if the women turn out that strongly for her, a Republican win assumes that they don't.

                            Except PA, the named states went for Bush in '04, and it's possible that they all can swing back to the Democrats. Colorado might be a stretch but it depends on demographics and the Obama coalition holding. VA especially has many voters that I can see as Obama-Christie.

                            19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                            by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:03:09 PM PDT

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                          •  Anything is possible, but PA isn't really (2+ / 0-)
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                            trending red in any significant way.

                            "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                            by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:06:41 PM PDT

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                          •  PA will not be in play (4+ / 0-)

                            No one lives in western PA, all those red counties hold no people.  PA isn't in play in 2016, nor was it in 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012.  There simply aren't 200K-300K voters available to the GOP just waiting in the wings for Chris Christie; they had choice of Dole, GHWB, W, McCain, Romney and said no to all of them.  

                            Don't get me wrong, I want the GOP to spend a fortune in NJ/PA and then see Karl Rove throw a fit but nothing you state is based in reality.

                            PA isn't trending red...it just isn't.

                            "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

                            by rdw72777 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:21:24 PM PDT

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                          •  Western PA is also losing population (4+ / 0-)
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                            R30A, James Allen, BKGyptian89, MichaelNY

                            while Eastern PA is gaining it, in most cases.

                            "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                            by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:25:53 PM PDT

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                          •  If... (2+ / 0-)
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                            BKGyptian89, MichaelNY

                            Philly is growing and the Pittsburgh suburbs are declining the GOP hopes are minimal.  Sure the growth in Eastern PA is not all in Dem-friendly places, but I don't see Lancaster and york county voting 70%+ for GOP like they did in 2010.  

                            "What if you're on a game show one day and the name of some random New Jersey state senator is the only thing between you and several thousand dollars? And you'll think to yourself, "if only I had clapped faster." - sapelcovits

                            by rdw72777 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:39:00 PM PDT

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                          •  Biggest growth rates in PA (1+ / 0-)
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                            MichaelNY

                            in the east are in Pike, at 23.90 percent, where Romney got 55.00 percent, and Monroe, at 22.50 percent, where Obama got 55.00 percent. The latter had about three times as many voters in 2012.

                            Then comes Chester, at 15.1 percent, where Romney only barely edged out Obama by .21 percent. About 250,000 people voted there in 2012.

                            Then comes York, if that isn't going too far, at 13.00 percent, where Romney crushed Obama with almost 60 percent of the vote. Around 190,000 people voted there in 2012.

                            Then comes Lehigh, at 12.00 percent, where Obama edged out Romney by 4.50 percent.

                            And so on. It's not all positive, because not everything from 2012 held, but it's definitely more than making up for whatever we lost in the western part of the state.

                            Here's a nice link. But here's a better one, with this part being key:

                            Frey also found that Hispanics account for 77 percent of the state’s growth, and the gains are tilted toward the eastern part, including suburban Philadelphia, Lehigh Valley, Lancaster, Reading and Harrisburg. Most of the decline in the under-18 population occurred in western Pennsylvania.

                            White Population Falls
                            Since 2000, the non-Hispanic white population fell 2.2 percent to 10,094,652, and whites now account for 79.5 percent of the population, 2010 Census data show. Blacks were up 10.4 percent to 1,327,091 and now make up 10.4 percent of the population. Asians rose 58.6 percent to 346,288 and make up 2.7 percent. Across the state, the Hispanic population rose 82.6 percent to 719,660, the data show.

                            Not only are whites not growing as quickly as other groups part of the state, they are actively shrinking! That's far from a guarantee that we'll always win, but the most likely voters for them are actually declining.

                            "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                            by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:43:07 PM PDT

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                          •  I hope you're the one of use who's right. (0+ / 0-)

                            I do take pride in being pessimistic by default, so there's that.

                            19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                            by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:45:41 PM PDT

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                          •  That "relative trend" is junk "analysis" (1+ / 0-)
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                            MichaelNY

                            Pennsylvania isn't trending, and comparing to the country as a whole isn't valid analysis.  Any trend has to be absolute, not relative, or there's no trend.

                            Talking about a "trend" that is "relative" to the country as a whole is classic misuse of PVI.

                            45, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

                            by DCCyclone on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 03:51:58 PM PDT

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                          •  Mississippi will go blue before PA goes red (1+ / 0-)
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                            IntoGov

                            You remind of someone who comes over here from a right leaning election blog, and who states that garbage. People who say that about Pennsylvania, can keep saying that till their face turns purple and the cows come home.

                            NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

                            by BKGyptian89 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 05:06:47 PM PDT

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                          •  Nevada isn't swinging back to the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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                            And Christie in particular wouldn't play well in Virginia.

                            The Obama coalition is made up of demographics that were originally the Hillary coalition. She'll run strong with the African-Americans, the growing Latino population, and the college campuses especially in Blacksburg/Charlottesville. Hillary would also run better than Obama in SWVA.

                            If Christie were to even get out of a primary he'd have to adopt or at least endorse the same harmful social and economic issues that drove out people in droves in Fairfax/Richmond to vote against Romney/Ryan.

                            Florida could swing back, but Obama was a uniquely poor fit for the state with how poorly he runs with the elderly caucasians. Hillary would hopefully do better among that group, and we'll have four more years of demographic change to back us up.

                          •  She doesn't make or break anything (2+ / 0-)
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                            But clearly she is the strongest possible nominee in either party. Though arguably so was John McCain in 2008.

                            "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

                            by conspiracy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:50:28 AM PDT

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                        •  Would Christie not run at all? (2+ / 0-)
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                          Do you expect 2016's climate to be known fairly early on? Correct me if I am wrong, but while the panic starting in September of 2008 wasn't clear, it was widely expected to be a Democratic year. If we get a sense of what type of year it will be well in advance, wouldn't this have an impact on the race?

                          In other words, what might make Christie stay out of the race? It's probably more likely 2016 will be better for them than 2012 was, but it could actually be pretty good for us, even before demographics, if the economy grows more quickly. If it looks like we are favored, does Christie run at all, especially if Clinton looks like she will be the nominee?

                          "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                          by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:07:13 AM PDT

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                          •  Christie doesn't run (0+ / 0-)

                            if he understands the situation rationally and is unwilling to run and lose. Of course, he could choose to run, knowing he's a likely loser, so as to make a point and increase the likelihood that he could win if he runs again in 2020.

                            Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                            by MichaelNY on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:07:25 PM PDT

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                •  she has a long way to go down before (1+ / 0-)
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                  she would actually lose.

                  ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                  by James Allen on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:06:50 PM PDT

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                •  That certainly isn't something to assume (2+ / 0-)
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                  Saying Hillary can only go down is completely absurd.

                  1) it assume a Hillary campaign will persuade zero voters

                  2) it assumes a Dem coronation and a GOP primary bloodbath is impossible

                  3) it assumes a crackpot like Paul or Cruz couldn't win a fractured nominating process and render themselves wholly unacceptable to the middle quarter of the country in the process

                  Very bad assumptions.  Hillary could go down some, but she could just as easily go up some, and if you don't assume that you just haven't been paying attention to the Republican party for the past several years.

                  Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

                  by tommypaine on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:11:25 PM PDT

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                  •  Clarification (0+ / 0-)

                    She is very unlikely to go up some solely on her own merits. How many voters are there that would potentially vote Democratic, but wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton if the election was held today?

                    2) and 3) aren't really Clinton going up, it's the GOP going down. You do have a point there, though. But all theories are useless if Cruz or Paul are nominated, because then we're not discussing if Pennsylvania will be competitive but if Louisiana will be.

                    19/Sweden/Wonk. Prefers discussing opinions to having them. Learning by doing.

                    by Tayya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:16:17 PM PDT

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                    •  to your first point (1+ / 0-)
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                      the ones with Clinton derangement syndrome.

                      ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                      by James Allen on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:18:52 PM PDT

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                    •  GOP going down = Clinton going up (1+ / 0-)
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                      Even if the "going down" means people just stay away, it still means Hillary's margin would go up.

                      As for the first point, James hits it.  There are a lot of Dem and left votes who do not now support Hillary and would say they wouldn't vote for her, now.  This is not a small group of people.

                      Hillary has a lot of room to grow based on campaigning on issues; on making her personality more acceptable to older people; and based upon contrasting her positions with the Republican extremists.

                      There is no evidence or reason to think that her current numbers are her ceiling, and lots of reasons to think that she has a higher ceiling.

                      Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

                      by tommypaine on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:32:40 PM PDT

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              •  Clinton is also in a different position in 2016 (4+ / 0-)

                than she was in 2008. Now, she's gotten even closer than any woman has before to the Oval Office and remains almost certainly closer than any woman on the other side is. If she doesn't run, that's one thing, but if she does, it's inching her, our party, and women in general that much closer to that milestone. This is before we consider that (a) she looks like a true giant when we might need it and (b) there's nobody of similar path breaking stature (as in, no Hispanic Democrat like Obama) ready to take her down. Never say never if there's some skilled progressive to her left that can manage to give her a run for her money, but who will it be? An acceptable but ultimately boring white guy like Warner or O'Malley?

                "At this point, if the president came out in favor of breathing, [Republican leaders would] tell their caucus members to hold their breaths."--Jared Bernstein

                by bjssp on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 09:37:41 AM PDT

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          •  I strongly disagree with that (0+ / 0-)
            She needs new blood, people familiar with how OFA does it.  That's how any future Democratic Presidential nominee needs to do it.
            The OFA model worked for Barack Obama in 2008, and is generally held to only work for his campaign; it's been tried with quite a few others and been much less successful. (This is just in terms of volunteer organization; in terms of targeting, they were completely solid.)

            "Pillows, but no sleep / Feathers, but no birds." | Pro-transit young black urban progressive | SSP/DKE | -9, -7.79 | NJ-05 - ! | Yard signs don't vote.

            by gabjoh on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:31:52 PM PDT

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      •  But, they'll never get that fab sound again... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...not without some more horns.  They'll never get Mr. Fabulous.  He's the to Matre 'd at the chez Paul.  He's pulling down six bills a week.  You'll never get guys like that out of their high paying gigs.

        GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

        by LordMike on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:54:07 AM PDT

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      •  Campaign slogan: (5+ / 0-)

        "We're on a mission from god".

        And the campaign posters will be Hilary rocking a fedora and shades in a black pantsuit.

        I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat

        by OGGoldy on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:53:12 AM PDT

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    •  Ugh, that guy is scum. Hillary needs to keep (0+ / 0-)

      all of those people away from her team in 2016. Beagala is the only one who isn't slimy.

      President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

      by askew on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:57:49 AM PDT

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    •  YES! (0+ / 0-)

      I love him. He's an amazing person too, a really standup guy. He should be representing us on MTP every Sunday.

      23, Male, LA-02, TX-08 (originally), SSP: sschmi4

      by Stephen Schmitz on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:29:50 PM PDT

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