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  •  Winnebago County Executive (1+ / 0-)
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    isn't particularly first-tier either.  He represents 3% of the state.  Burke might actually have better name recognition being from Madison (and being from Madison is not a deal-breaker for Wisconsin voters).  Getting out the Milwaukee vote is more important to victory, as Tom Barrett's failures showed, but it's uncertain Harris is better suited to do that.

    Executive experience is overrated too.  People elect legislators all the time to be governors.  I'm not even sure there is a correlation at all showing that people prefer executive experience in their executives.

    •  No, he's decidedly not first-tier (0+ / 0-)

      It's really too bad we can't entice someone like Rep. Kind into the race, or even Outagamie Cty. Exec. Nelson -- much less Russ Feingold, who would probably kick Gov. Walker's ass provided he's learned his lesson from 2010.

      I don't think being from Madison is a deal-breaker, but the recall map is burned into my brain. We had such a bad underperformance in the Fox Valley, and I feel like Cty. Exec. Harris would at least offer some chance of mitigating that. Those folks who swung toward Walker aren't going to be jazzed by another Democrat from Madison or Milwaukee.

      And the comment about executive experience -- that is true. But Harris could at least make the argument that he knows what it takes to govern, because Walker will almost certainly hammer Burke for not knowing what it's like to have to make tough decisions and explain them to voters later. That may be unfair, since Burke does have a business background, but it could move some voters. It's an argument that resonates with me, at least (even though I'd obviously vote for a roadkill squirrel before voting for Scott Walker).

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      by SaoMagnifico on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:12:08 PM PDT

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      •  Winning WI isn't brain surgery (1+ / 0-)
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        Turnout in Milwaukee;
        turnout in Madison;
        being competitive in the 3rd/7th/8th;
        being competitive in the 1st;
        not getting creamed in the 6th.

        Being from Madison only helps in one of those things.  It's not a kiss of death, but it is not preferable.  If we win Brown/Outagamie/Winnebago, we win the election.  Wherever our candidate comes from, they have to be competitive there to win.

        Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

        by tommypaine on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:44:28 PM PDT

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        •  Are you talking about winning all 3? (0+ / 0-)

          Or 1 of the 3? Because Baldwin only won Winnebago county. She was able to be competitive in the Fox River Valley even though she was a "Madison liberal". It's how you frame yourself as a candidate, not where you are from.

          •  Where you are from is part of how you frame (2+ / 0-)
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            yourself.

            You seem to want to take this too black and white.  yes, you can obviously win if you are from Madison.  Baldwin and Jim Doyle were.  Kohl was from Milwaukee.  Pat Lucey and Gaylord Nelson were from west WI.  Feingold was from Janesville.  Doyle's races were not easy, except one of his AG races as I recall.

            Bill Clinton won southern states partly because where he was from.  It is a pretty well established view in electoral politics that it helps in an area to be from an area, or near that area.  Being from the strongest/most left area of the election usually doesn't help... it didn't help Kamala Harris in Riverside or Fresno to be from San Francisco.  She still won though because the geographic disadvantage isn't a death sentence.

            What you probably mean is that a candidate from Madison can appeal to voters in Brown county... they just have to campaign sensibly.  And that is true, but history shows us that it normally would also be true that being from Brown county would be helpful in Brown county too.

            Or put another way, a candidate from Madison has to spend time campaigning in a way that says "I'm not just a Madison person" whereas a candidate from Wausau would never have to even address such concerns.

            Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

            by tommypaine on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:11:52 PM PDT

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          •  Also I don't mean you have to win all three (2+ / 0-)
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            We can lose Brown/Outagamie/Winnebago and still win an election.  If we did win all three though, that is Obama08 type wipeout territory.

            We have to be competitive in these counties though.  We can't just win by piling up margins in Milwaukee and Madison.

            Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

            by tommypaine on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:15:29 PM PDT

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