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  •  Heck, Republicans count Toomey (0+ / 0-)

    Because he is part Portuguese.

    I am a Tom Rukavina Democrat

    by OGGoldy on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 07:58:02 AM PDT

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    •  Portuguese people are white though (1+ / 0-)
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      They're not Hispanic

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      by BKGyptian89 on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:08:41 AM PDT

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      •  They are considered both (1+ / 0-)
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        Same with Spaniards and some Cubans. White and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive.

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        by OGGoldy on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:14:51 AM PDT

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        •  No, Portuguese are sometimes considered Latinos (4+ / 0-)
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          Which is just a general broad term. A Hispanic is anyone of Spanish speaking descent. Regardless of ethnic make up. You can be a Dominican, and can be dark skinned, where anywhere else in the country, you would considered Black, but in reality you're Hispanic. Vise versa for Cubans who are very fair skinned, and can pass for White.

          That's why Spaniards are considered both Hispanic/Latino and white. Portuguese are sometimes grouped as Latinos, but they're not Hispanic.

          NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

          by BKGyptian89 on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:26:17 AM PDT

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          •  You may have the textbook definitions right (1+ / 0-)
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            but one thing I've learned from these debates is that the accepted meanings vary in this country, particularly among the Hispanic/Latino people in question.  Check the Hispanic-Latino naming dispute page on wikipedia to get an idea of how unsettled the nomenclature is, despite the supposed finality of the definitions.  Fact is, some people just prefer to be called Latino.  Others prefer to be called Hispanic.  But most I've known don't even like the labels and just prefer to be called Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, or whatever.  Yet we apparently need terms to lump them all together, so we have this mess.

            •  Yeah it's like a tribal thing (0+ / 0-)

              Everybody mentions their nationally first, second and third when they describe themselves.

              NY-9/NJ-10; Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. -- Anwar Sadat

              by BKGyptian89 on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:57:28 AM PDT

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            •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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              Accepted meanings vary by country.

              But the biggest thing here is that we're talking about how it operates in this country. In which David, myself, Cyclone, and whoever else happens to take our side in this debate is pretty much spot on.

              23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

              by wwmiv on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:09:41 AM PDT

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      •  haha (1+ / 0-)
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        don't tell the Portuguese in Hawaii that!  Local Portuguese people are very proud of their heritage and react the same way to being lumped in with white people as native Hawaiians or Samoans do to being lumped in with Asians.

        Tom Hanks and James Franco are part Portuguese, but they're usually just seen as white (and never, ever described as Hispanic by the media).  But in Hawaii, Portuguese people are simply "Portuguese", and not white.  It's just a separate group.

        •  You learn such odd things on this site... (0+ / 0-)

          I did not know that about Tom Hanks or James Franco. The former really surprises me - I thought he was the archetypal WASP.

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