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  •  Thanks Twigg (9+ / 0-)

    I host a dinner once a month for my friends.  They all come hungry for the main course that includes nutritional items like protein, vegetables, and whole grains.  And they all eat it.  We save desert, coffee, and liquor for after the meal.  Some partake, others pass on those items.  To each his own.

    I think political issues are much like that.  If we stick to the nutritional items that everyone agrees on, jobs, healthcare, education, we get fewer problems.  It's when we get to those other issues that some of us partake and others of us pass.  Of course, I've always known at least one person who wants to eat their desert first.  

    But on a more serious note, there has been a lot of talk around here lately about other operatives working amongst us and I think they stir their trouble around the less important issues that cause division within our ranks.  

    Thanks for posting thoughtful questions to us.  You keep us on our toes.  

    We are all in this together.

    by htowngenie on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:44:03 PM PDT

    •  Good analogy. (2+ / 0-)
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      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 05:01:22 AM PDT

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      •  Good analogy? Idiotic analogy. (1+ / 0-)
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        The issue of a mass surveillance state that gives unchecked power to a handful of people is liken to desert?

        Our civil rights, which is what the mass surveillance issue falls under, are the very foundation of our system of government.

        If you're comparing them to things we eat, they are water. And this criminal violation of our rights is liken to the poisoning of it.

        •  NSA is coffee, it keeps us up at night. EOM (6+ / 0-)

          We are all in this together.

          by htowngenie on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 07:03:09 AM PDT

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        •  HARF! (3+ / 0-)
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          If you're comparing them to things we eat, they are water.
          Oh please.

          We've all spent a weekend in a zero privacy situation- summer camps, family vacations, long car trips.

          Now spend a weekend without water.

        •  If wondering next how one is going to (4+ / 0-)
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          feed her family next week and how she'll afford her daughter's medication is a concern and she's wondering if her kids will ever be able to break through the rut she's been grinding through AND it has been a constant concern for the last 3 years, then YES the NSA issue is dessert.

          The food analogy is not only good, but it is highly ironic.

          But we've each got our own sense of priorities and opinions about priorities.

          Also those of us, like you, who are highly concerned about civil rights sometimes think that voter rights are more urgent than surveillance for a couple of reasons:

          1) As foundations go, our right to vote is a cornerstone for citizens to make progress on all other issues, including state surveillance.

          2) The impact of voter discrimination widely impacts people in tangible ways right now.  It brings a higher sense of urgency for some.  For example if one day I "open the paper" and read about a US citizen who was seriously abused and harmed by existing surveillance, I will elevate the issue higher on my list.

          I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

          by Satya1 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:54:16 AM PDT

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    •  I care about (2+ / 0-)
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      and pay attention to issues of climate change, voter suppression, fair treatment for all Americans, including immigrants, 4th amendment rights, etc.
      I most urgently worry about my and my children's ability to find a job, or a job that pays a living wage, about inaccessibility to healthcare and the high cost of health care costs, even with health insurance, and the unaffordability of higher education.
      I think the point that twigg is making is all too valid, i.e., that for the majority of people, (and I would say, including the gullible, misinformed in the middle to right edge of the spectrum), what hits most in the gut is the edge that we live on in the here and now: threat of loss of income, no health care, and no way to pay for our kids' education.  One step away from disaster and homelessness.  
      All of the other issues are incredibly important.  They are not the bread and butter, the day to day existential battles that face most of us.  Convince me of who the threat is, and I will follow.  
      They who are the convincers will be the victors.  So far, the Right, with it's deep pockets and willing watercarriers, has demonstrated how very affective they can be, especially on the state level.  
      The Dems need to become the Convincers, and begin a reversal of the recent tide that has nearly engulfed us all.

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