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    CA wildwoman, SilentBrook

    the best positioned people as to intent would be the person doing the scrutiny.  The best person to discern how the scrutiny impacts them is that person.  If a black person THINKS they are followed because of their race the result is the same as if they were being followed because of their race.  Perception in this case IS reality because the reality is how it impacts the person - in every way - The difference in "antennae" is really the difference in experiences.  I cannot perceive what you perceive - unless we have the same experiences and even then it isn't a sure thing.

    The point is that it hardly matters to the black person in your description as the result is the same.  That makes it all the more difficult to resolve.  And it makes it all the more difficult for a white person to understand.  And that leads to statements that tend to be dismissive of racism because the white person does not have the same experiences or perceptions that the black person has.  To me, it makes racism even more pernicious - or as CPT Doom stated- poisonous.

    "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

    by newfie on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:09:25 PM PDT

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    •  And, as you acknowledge, the person doing... (3+ / 0-)
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      FogCityJohn, SilentBrook, newfie

      ...the scrutinizing may be partly, or even completely, unaware of their own presumptions, assumptions, biases, perspectives, and projections.
      For an interesting -- and possibly surprising (and possibly sobering) -- self-assessment, you might want to check yourself out for unconscious presumptions here:

      https://implicit.harvard.edu/...

      Be warned that you may not like what you learn.

      •  Yes that is entirely true. (0+ / 0-)

        And is entirely true for all parties.  We try to make all aspects of racism simple.  It isn't.  There is so much going on that we may not be aware of that influences our actions and influences our perceptions of other people's actions that (I believe) when we boil it down to the simple terms we lose opportunities to advance.

        Funny thing about our instincts.  Sometimes they are bang on.  If our instincts are validated enough we feel they are always right.  They are not always right or wrong - just somewhere in between.  I go with my instincts a lot  - perhaps we all do.  But when I do I remind myself I could be wrong and I work hard to remain open to that possibility.  I don't find it easy.

        BTW  I checked out your link and took a test.  I did a black/European one since that is the topic here.  This was my result.  Thanks for the link.

        Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between African American and European American

        "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

        by newfie on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:13:03 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, no. (2+ / 0-)
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      SilentBrook, newfie

      Your comment ignores the fact that racism often operates at a subconscious level.  So the person doing the scrutiny may well believe he or she is not acting out of a racist motivation, when in fact that motivation is present but unconscious.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 04:53:29 PM PDT

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      •  Yes I did ignore that (0+ / 0-)

        that is why I added the follow up.  It does not change my contention who the best person is.  It just shows that intention is not always clear to either party in the interaction and/or a third party to that interaction. But best does not mean only.  In any interaction, any of the parties may be correct in their perception.  But every party is subject to their own experiences which affects their perception.

        "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

        by newfie on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:41:52 AM PDT

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