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  •  Okay, that's obviously a reasoned view. You know (8+ / 0-)

    what mine is.  Let's see what unfolds.

    •  I think you're all expecting a "Iraq II"..... (6+ / 0-)

      ...which isn't happening. Not on that scale. Not with troops. Cruise Missiles? Yawn. That's barely headline news nowdays in this country. Bombing Iran might get a Jingo wave going, but not this.

      The MIC will wait a generation before they're willing to shove a half million American lives onto the roulette table again.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 12:13:33 AM PDT

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      •  Their greed will overcome. (9+ / 0-)

        They will not wait another generation, this time.

        This better be good. Because it is not going away.

        by DerAmi on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:21:49 AM PDT

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      •  I think Ray is speaking to the probability of... (25+ / 0-)

        the government using a military response to Syria's use of chemical weapons to divert or blunt some of the negative response to the NSA's overreach on surveillance in Congress, perhaps citing the need for increased ubiquitous surveillance efforts to track all the players in the Syrian conflict.

        And if Americans' electronic communications get swept up in the international surveillance net...  "Oops."

        'Cuz freedom can't protect itself ~~ EFF ~ EPIC ~ ACLU

        by markthshark on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:35:20 AM PDT

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      •  You're assuming that we can continue to drop (10+ / 0-)

        bombs and fire missiles in any country we like without the slightest possibility that our acts of war will be treated as such, or that the people we've decided are our enemies will strike back.

        It's a hubris it's hard to fathom.

        Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

        by JesseCW on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:46:58 AM PDT

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        •  It may be hubris (2+ / 0-)
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          but that doesn't mean he's wrong.  As the sole surviving military superpower, the US is pretty well immune to attack or invasion in any conventional sense.  And it's the "unconventional" options remaining that will allow the "additional" surveillance to go down easier with the public.  Because 9/11.

          That said, I'm not sure any bright shining lines will be crossed in the next generation of domestic spying.  Whatever lines there were have long ago been obliterated.  The only real difference will be the brazenness with which the intelligence apparatus operates, and the fact that the American public -- like the Soviet public before them -- will operate under the assumption that everything they say or write will be intercepted.

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 06:37:43 AM PDT

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          •  Well there are a couple though I am not (0+ / 0-)

            sure if they would be enough.  How about unrestricted access by any law enforcement (federal, state, and local) as well as any company willing to pay?  In other words, companies being allowed to use all the data the NSA collects (websites visited, phone conversations recorded, emails sent) for highly invasive background checks or any reason whatsoever.  That would include individuals too, so you could buy a copy of all your neighbor's recorded phone calls so you could look for juicy blackmail material if you were willing to pay.

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 06:55:49 AM PDT

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            •  Those aren't limits (1+ / 0-)
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              in any real sense.  The information's already being shared with law enforcement (DEA, FBI at least), and if it served the interest of the corporatocracy it would be for sale elsewhere as well.  And in truth, it's not that big a reach to say it's already for sale to the highest bidder and we just haven't heard about it yet.  There isn't any real, tangible barrier to it if you're willing to put the Constitution through a paper shredder.

              I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

              by mojo11 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 07:17:23 AM PDT

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          •  We are far from immune to conventional attack. (3+ / 0-)
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            That we will exact a heavy price in retribution doesn't make us immune.

            Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

            by JesseCW on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 07:10:21 AM PDT

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            •  Fair enough... immune to (1+ / 0-)
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              any successful conventional attack.  A handful of nations have the capability of landing ordinance on the US.  But the logistical problems alone would make it impossible to win a head-to-head war, even for the Russians.  They could play the nuclear card, even today, but then you've abandoned "conventional" warfare.

              But when we start talking about launching an attack of any sort against the US (as opposed to its "interests" overseas) we're looking at Russia, not Syria.

              I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

              by mojo11 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 08:20:42 AM PDT

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      •  Not with troops. (1+ / 0-)
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        No one gets out alive

        I guess that makes it all better.

        Not that those folks in the airplanes or on board the ships matter.
        So many fewer of them, right?

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        by dinotrac on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:56:14 AM PDT

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      •  "shove a half million American lives (0+ / 0-)

        onto the roulette table...".

        Oh, great. Will this include my currently 18 yo son?  Can you clarify: by "a generation", do you mean roughly 20 years? So, we can hope he might be too old by then? Or nearly?

        Not snark, not calling you out.  I hate this speculation, but wondering an just how long we need to sweat this out.  Crap. And your explanation is entirely too reasoned and believable, unfortunately.

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        by tom 47 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:11:44 PM PDT

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