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  •  Yes, Villanova, I had to clean it up as much as I (0+ / 0-)

    could here first. Then I went on to do the same elsewhere. This is an experience I don't every want to repeat.

    That's why I am grateful to be part of the Daily Kos community. I might not have ever known I made the error had I not posted it here.

    I value this site to being one of the most creditable sites I know, and I want to be part of that integrity, which means I need to admit my errors.

    I do wish some Kossacks would try messaging before slamming a diarist and assuming the worst. Had I received an email, I would have responded much faster. Alas, it is what is. The good far outweighs the unpleasant. And the unpleasant is what keep me on our toes.

    "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

    by Leslie Salzillo on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 10:47:01 PM PDT

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    •  I'm glad you eventually worked it out. (0+ / 0-)

      If you look carefully, you'll see people waited a long time before "slamming" you -- to the minimal extent they did. It was many hours after several commenters had pointed out the errors, and still no one HR'd or slammed you. A counter diary was put up because you would not respond. Still no HRs. Once a couple were dropped to get your attention, several of us declined to pile on. Only after you returned to respond to a couple of comments and apparently ignored the rest did people throw up their hands. Whatever slamming occurred was for not responding, and not for the original content. Everyone could see that the problem came from your source.

      As for using kosmail, I'm not sure why I'd expect a person to attend to that but not to comments in their own diary, especially "hey diarist!" comments posted in a direct response such as Catte Nappe's. (Perhaps your kosmail forwards to a personal email account, but I don't think that's true for many people here.) I might send a diarist a kosmail about a typo or to discuss a personal matter (rarely), but I would never use kosmail to debate the accuracy of a diary. That might be a nicer culture in some ways, but it's not the culture here. Moreover, it quickly gets confusing and difficult, as it is bad form if not forbidden to then republish private mail. The result would be something like what Markos is trying to avoid by disallowing editing or deletion of comments -- gaps in the thread. (Pre-publication review would be great, but it's hard to know who would do that for any given subject.)

      I'm sorry this was such a difficult process for you, and I give you credit for working hard to clear it up.

      •  Thank you for your kind words at the end. I am so (0+ / 0-)

        exhausted.  I have apologized again and again for an unintentional mistake. I did not ignore anyone - I simply did not know. Some said, "She wouldn't respond to me. She chooses to ignore us..." And one person must have made about 15 comments about the fact that I had not responded.

        I published early - 5am, and checked in later in the morning. Everything was good - very good! Checked in quickly later and saw a comment saying I should alter the title - which I did. I thought the only problem was that the church exemption was not his primary goal so I altered the title, made a quick comment, then back to work.

        Checked in later and started reading down the messages and saw Adam B's comment saying the lawsuit had nothing at all to do with what I thought. I'm thinking, "Oh no!" I looked up and I had 13 HRs. Then I saw Gary Norton wrote a diary about my diary being wrong (which I agree, was a good idea, but I didn't know)

        Within minutes, while I was trying to address comments and make changes, 6 more HRs came in. 19 total! I would have deleted the diary, but thousands had already liked/shared it was told I shouldn't delete by some, and I didn't want to make things worse for Daily Kos. I was scrambling to do the right thing, wasn't sure how to edit it without seeming dishonest - and I was told so many things by so many people, my head was spinning. And much of the advice contradicted the other.

        Had someone sent me an kossmail during the day saying, "Hey Leslie. You might want to check your diary - there's a big problem!" I would have gotten an email notification, and checked as soon as I could. Instead I came back to all of those HRs, accusations, and not so nice comments (though, I've gotten worse).

        It's sad that even after all the changes, apologies, statements of goodwill, some here still opt to leave in their HR's. And some are out of spite. I know this - we all know there are people who do that. Alas, majority of folks don't.

        I have written many diaries here, and have always tried to maintain integrity and accuracy - I make mistakes. Most of us don't get paid. I write in Daily Kos, because I love and respect this group. I feel terrible about what happened - And i did what I could.

        I still think the HR system is abused. It was alluded that I didn't pay attention until I got the HRs. That is simply untrue. I was unavailable. I can't imagine what would have happened  had I opted to go out to dinner instead of checking.

        Either way, I appreciate that you removed your HR, and tried to alert me.

        I certainly understand the frustration many had yesterday. And I still freakin' love this community. :)

        "In this world, hate has never yet dispelled hate. Only love can dispel hate." ~ Buddha

        by Leslie Salzillo on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 11:31:49 PM PDT

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