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  •  And what have Obama and the Dems been doing to (1+ / 0-)
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    counter the lies?  Not much is my guess.  That would be proactive and, OMG, maybe confrontational with the Repubs.  Can't have that.

    The outrage should be with Obama and the Dems, not with the Republicans.  The Repubs do what they do just like a predator kills its prey.  The Dems can choose to fight them and their lies or not.  It's usually not.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:43:38 AM PDT

    •  Fighting lies creates more. (5+ / 0-)

      You can swing at the gnats or keep working at more productive activities.
      The Rightwing Monolithic Propaganda Machine has proven its prowess. They can keep us so busy countering their lies that we have little time to spend making a difference.

      We have to be real choosy where and when to pick our fights. And remember, when one argues with an idiot, it is often hard for others to know which is which.

      Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:58:17 AM PDT

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      •  Passivity is great, then. (1+ / 0-)
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        And you don't swat at each lie and specifically counter and make a case against the Repubs - you campaign on the truth

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:08:36 AM PDT

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        •  I guess you never took a marketing class. (2+ / 0-)
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          Nobody selling a product is successful who sells the meat and not the sizzle.  If you sell by giving a droning list of features, you lose your audience.  You only get a "Sale" when you list benefits.  Marketing 101.

          The problem with the ACA is that nobody can point to an actual benefit for an individual until they go onto the exchanges and make an individual choice.  So, no point in marketing the sizzle right now.  People will notice the sizzle for themselves after Oct 1.  

          We are all in this together.

          by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:18:18 AM PDT

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          •  No, never had a marketing course, but I've done (0+ / 0-)

            lots of selling and know the point about selling features vs. benefits.  Another thing I know is that there is no need to sell either once somebody has already bought.  What you're saying makes no sense:  let them buy and then you don't have to sell them.  So your marketing courses included how to hope somebody buys so they can see for themselves how great your product is?  I don't think so.

            Also, when you have competition (in this case the Repubs) selling them something else (i.e., not to buy your stuff), does your marketing course tell you to do nothing?  Again, I don't think so unless you majored in passive marketing.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:17:47 AM PDT

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    •  The strategy doen't suit you but it's working. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm smart enough to recognize most GOP lies and I do my own homework on issues that affect me.  That's not true for most Americans though.  They only do their homework when the issue hits their own wallet.  That's the strategy.  Why do a PR campaign to influence low information Americans if it's not heard and wastes money and time?  Futile to try and counteract the lies on the right one by one.  Actions speak louder than words.

      When it rolls out and people find out it's not so bad and actually provides them a financial benefit, they'll like it.  I'm sure there are cracks in it that will have to be addressed after the fact but that is the way massive monumental legislation change works.  And I haven't seen anybody fall into a real crack yet.

      We are all in this together.

      by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 07:58:54 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, if the GOP took your advice they wouldn't (0+ / 0-)

        have had as much influence as they do.  They are successful with low and high information Americans because they follow a basic rule of advertising - keep repeating the message.  Obama and the Dems squeak every now and then - not effective.

        Your advice - and what Obama and the Dems do - is to be passive and assume people will see the truth.  That hasn't worked so well generally, why should it work with health insurance?

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:12:01 AM PDT

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        •  Every political speech, every policy talk, every (0+ / 0-)

          progressive talking head has repeated the line that PPACA will give 30 million uninsured Americans access to affordable healthcare.  Have you not heard that?  It wouldn't surprise me.

          I spend much of my time here on DKos counteracting the lies of the right that gullible and smart DKos readers are eating up on ACA.  I am swatting at flies at here and really I just want to throw up my hands and admit it is futile, even here, much less trying to do it out there in tea party loony land.

          And I am not passive.  I'm volunteering to help the navigators in the big ole red state of Texas.  

          See my other comment in reply to you above for my answer to your last question.

          We are all in this together.

          by htowngenie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:30:46 AM PDT

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          •  Funny how those speeches, policy talks and (0+ / 0-)

            progressive talking heads (if you can find them besides on MSNBC, which few but the converted watch) haven't dispelled the myths of health insurance reform starting before ACA was passed.  You're obviously content with the "build it and they will come" or "build a better mousetrap and they will make a path to your door" strategy.  That's about as passive as you can get, especially since the fight here is to get as many people to buy in as quickly as possible to make it work financially.

            And, no, helping navigators is not passive.  And good for you.  But people still need to know how to connect with them.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:22:19 AM PDT

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      •  They could prevent a rollout. (0+ / 0-)

        Just shut down government.

        If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

        by Bensdad on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 12:30:29 PM PDT

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    •  I think Pres. Obama has found a good line (0+ / 0-)

      when he says that the only program the Republicans can agree on is to deny health care to thirty million Americans.  Blunt and simple to understand.  With the added benefit of being true.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:50:47 AM PDT

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    •  Agree with accumbens.... (1+ / 0-)
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      ....he's President for crissakes. He has the bully pulpit. Reid is majority leader. But neither can lead and neither can talk effectively to ordinary people.

      Obama hems and haws and never calls a spade a spade so to speak.

      If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

      by Bensdad on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 12:26:24 PM PDT

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