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  •  you do know, don't you, (6+ / 0-)

    that over a million Iraqi refugees fled to Syria, because it was better there than in American dominated Iraq (and nothing even remotely like that had happened when Saddam was running the place)?

    And now hundreds of thousands of Syrians are fleeing into Turkey (and back into Iraq) because it's better there than getting killed in this newest American "humanitarian intervention"?

    That's the "facts on the ground", and yes, it's "obscene".  And it's not "conspiracy claptrap" to point out another fact . . . that we're up to our neck in causing it.

    Consider "why?" . . .

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 11:15:20 AM PDT

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    •  yes I'm aware of the refugee crises. I fail to (3+ / 0-)
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      see proof that we caused what was effectively the Syrian incarnation of the Arab Spring.  Are you trying to make an argument that if these refugees from Iraq weren't there, then the middle class uprising that took place in spring 2011 either would not have happened (which makes zero sense) or would have been more easily suppressed by Assad?

      Other than that, I don't where you're going.  Iraq refugees to Syria didn't cause a Tunisian fruit vendor to light himself on fire.

      •  yes, apparently, you "fail to see" (4+ / 0-)

        that the killing and car bombing and general armed terror and destruction in Syria is not a "middle class uprising" but rather the co-option of otherwise peaceful protest by American and Saudi trained, armed and funded forces.  And you "fail to see" that it was not done for either "humanitarian" reasons or for the benefit of the Syrian people.

        There were, and are, lots of ways we could have supported that "middle class uprising" without destroying the Syrian middle class by killing them and/or driving them out of the country as refugees.  Just as there would have been a lot of ways to support the Iraqi middle class without killing them and destroying their wealth and country.  But no . . .

        I look at the results of our "interventions" . . . and conclude that it is not the result of blind stupidity but just what was intended.

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 12:25:30 PM PDT

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        •  for fuck's sake are-you actually this dense or is (0+ / 0-)

          it just an act?

          I'm going to assume it's an act.

          that said, I do agree with the first line in your second paragraph.  There were lots of creative solutions that could have been taken in the spring/summer 2011 that I think we failed to do.  The Russians didn't help, but we could have done a good deal more from the humanitarian front.

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