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  •  Ted sees the rebranding differently. (14+ / 0-)

    He sees the GOP as needing to be purged of its remaining accommodationists.  History is not kind to reactionaries like Ted.

    Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

    by mspicata on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52:24 AM PDT

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    •  given the current (slow motion) GOP implosion, (4+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, Aunt Pat, Stude Dude, nadd2

      how can you show cause and effect?  He's just a side-show alongside the trainwreck of history.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 12:53:13 PM PDT

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      •  It would be so simple for the moderate Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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        to rebrand the entire party and lock the crazies back in the attic.  Unfortunately, they have Boehner as speaker of the house.  If the man had fortitude enough to schedule a floor vote of the senate immigration bill, the sane Republicans plus the Democrats would pass it.  The party would be rebranded (to the extent it could be), the teapartiers would be defanged, and the GOP would be saved from itself.

        Unfortunately, as I said, they have Boehner as their speaker.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:24:13 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, at this point it's impossible (3+ / 0-)
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          Nixon's Southern Strategy opened the door to all the bigots that the Democratic party kicked out, then Reagan opened up the door to all the religious nuts and conspiracy theorists.

          And, ever since then, the nuts and bigots have been running the party and the "moderate wing" of the GOP has been on the wane (e.g., Lincoln Chaffee, Richard Lugar).

          These days, all the "moderate" Republicans are a) Dead, b) Making themselves Very Small and Very Quiet so as to not be noticed by the bullies, c) Pretending to be crazy to keep their jobs, d) Democrats.

          And, anyhow, why on Earth would you want to save the Republican party from itself? I'm perfectly happy to let them implode, then wonder what happened for the next 50-100 years.

          •  Oh, I'm not in favor of their (0+ / 0-)

            following the path I described at all.  I just think it's odd how they seem to have blinded themselves to such a simple answer to their problem.  I suppose they don't see it as a problem.  Short-term thinking and all that, which seems to have taken the place of the long-range plan they've worked on so successfully for the past 40 years.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:32:36 PM PDT

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    •  Hope you're right (3+ / 0-)
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      What discourages me is that the ultra-right wing (whether here or in Europe) is so persistent and immortal. History may not be kind to them in the short run -- although WWII was basically a ten-year catastrophic struggle just to do that much -- but they also don't go away, they just lurk and wait for a new opportunity.

      Could it happen here? Yes, it could. I don't see it as the most likely future, but it's not impossible either.

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