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  •  Of course, they are supposed to spy on the IAEA (5+ / 0-)
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    pvasileff, Cliss, marsanges, lordcopper, Wynter

    And the UN too, and everybody. The TLAs are supposed to spy on everything that moves and does not carry the Star-Spangled Banner.

    Now, the TLAs can collect all the information they want. If the executive, Dubya and Darth Cheney at the time, doesn't want to listen and decides it can make up its own reality, then both the American public and the TLAs, those uncurable fact-based flaming liberals, may as well piss in a violin.

    And that's indeed what happened and how we got ourselves in the dumbest, most gratuitous and pointlessly destructive war since the Spanish-American War.

    I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

    by Farugia on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 01:52:09 PM PDT

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    •  Tenet sat behind Powell as he lied to the UN (13+ / 0-)

      I don't recall anyone from the intelligence community resigning before (or after) the invasion.  If you collect intel (using methods of questionable legality/morality), and that intel is so badly misused, you ultimately become complicit, too.

      There were also, sadly plenty on our side of the aisle who went along w/ this catastrophic charade then, including the past and present SoS and the current VP.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 02:01:45 PM PDT

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      •  Resign and give up their government pension? (2+ / 0-)
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        Get real. Those guys are lifers, bureaucrats.

        I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

        by Farugia on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 02:19:24 PM PDT

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        •  Clinton/Kerry/Biden are not the "bureaucrats" (8+ / 0-)

          They are the Party Elite and leaders in the United States.

          Their cowtowing is the reason we are in the boiling water. Without their complicity, shrub could not have succeeded in his illegal invasion or in building the illegal surveillance network.


          One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. --Carl Jung

          by bronte17 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:04:07 PM PDT

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          •  I'm talking about the "intelligence community" (1+ / 0-)
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            Not the pols.

            And, mind you, Clinton/Kerry/Biden also match quite well the definition of "lifers" in their own ways, looking out first for their own pension plan aka corporate board seats, book deals, lucrative slots on the rubber-chicken circuit, charitable foundations in their name, etc.

            I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

            by Farugia on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 03:33:46 PM PDT

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            •  I don't mind "lifers" running our systems (1+ / 0-)
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              It takes time to build up skills and learn from trial and error in life.

              I want someone who knows what the hell they are doing when they start running my electric grid or keeping the nukes secured or building 1000 foot bridges.

              At some point in time, everyone can't run around jumping job to job just because corporate america shoots the bullets. Security and stability are valuable components to a society at times.


              One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. --Carl Jung

              by bronte17 on Mon Aug 26, 2013 at 07:35:55 PM PDT

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              •  too late (0+ / 0-)

                in seeing them to rec your other comments here, but they were all spot on and well said as usual - Thx

                Money speaks for money, the devil for his own... Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?

                by LeftOverAmerica on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 06:32:34 PM PDT

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