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  •  i guess its a discussion uppermiddleclassers need (0+ / 0-)

    to have with themselves and each other.  not clear from the article and comments whether the discussants realize how privileged and fortunate they are, calvinhobbes cartoonist included.

    •  As I said in another answer, I've known poverty... (6+ / 0-)

      and it isn't fun. I have also traveled a bit in the "Developing World" and have seen poverty beyond what I ever experienced.  Only by hard work, luck, and a lot of very kind people along the way was I able to become middle class.  But that is one of my points - it is not true that if you only work hard you can reach the American dream.  Luck (toward the end of my career that meant outliving the political situation that had stuck me in a non-changeable slot for ten years) and people who actually helped me, although they had little to gain by doing so, got me to my ultimate goal - a college professorship.

      Had a lot of improbable things not lined up I would have spent my life as a just getting by or on the street person, no matter how hard I worked.  We now are living in a Republican-made hell where it is doubly hard to either work your way up or get any breaks.  If you work for some big companies you are at the mercy of whatever Ayn Rand worshiper owns the company.

      •  the mention of $75,000/year for "decent life" (1+ / 0-)
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        probably threw me off, the whole sentence being "Once you have enough money to live a relatively decent life (probably no more than $100,000 at most - actually estimated at $75,000/year recently See: http://www.forbes.com/....) "

        can't find the statistics at the moment, but i seem to recall that median household income in the u.s. was estimated at about $34,000 last year.

        just sayin'.

        •  My point was not that this was an average ... (3+ / 0-)

          income (I don't make that much myself), but that it was a sort of upward limit on deriving happiness - you simply don't gain any more real satisfaction above that level unless money is you whole interest (a rather unbalanced life, I would think.)  One could argue that it depends on what satisfies one personally.  Some people may be as happy as they can get at $20,000 a year and others may need $1 million.  I am of the opinion (but that is me) that there is no human being who is worth more than $1 million a year, even a rock star or football player.

          In other words having $10 billion does not extend your happiness in proportion to having a steady income of a maximum of $75,000.  You are not even say 5% more happy. This is at least in part, I think, because a human being has really no concept of $10 billion or even $1 million and you can only play with so many toys and you can't live in more than one house at a time.  Time is more important than money.

          Work and money are related, but not (as I have noted) in proportion to the value of the work done.  If that were true teachers, fire fighters, police, and even garbage collectors would be paid more than some bankers.

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