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  •  The US has been complicit in preventing the (4+ / 0-)

    formation of a Kurdistan for decades. They will prevent it today. At least they are allowing a semi-autonomous region in Iraq - for now. The US (and Turkey) do have effective control due to oil resources.

    The US has used and abused the Kurds more than any other ethnic group in the region. 100,000's have been killed and displaced by US foreign policy in Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

    •  Palestinians? (2+ / 0-)
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      Claudius Bombarnac, highacidity

      It seems as though the US is not 100% responsible for what the Turks, Iraqis, and especially Iranians do. And setting up a new nation in that part of the world is going to cause some trouble, period.

      I'm on a mission! Testing the new site rules.

      by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:44:26 PM PDT

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      •  The US is never 100% responsible. Their role, (4+ / 0-)

        mainly through covert actions of the CIA, has been to manipulate the situation towards the ends they wish. One would have thought from the amount of blow-back in the decades since WWII they would have learned something by now.

        Apparently they haven't.

        There are 25 million Kurds spread out over the ME. They are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own country.

        Here's a good documentary on the Kurds:

        Good Kurds, bad Kurds

        •  I blame Saladin (4+ / 0-)

          He was a Kurd, and should have taken care of this when he had the chance during the 3rd Crusade :-)

          But my point remains. You can't set up a nation in that part of the world without a whole lot of blood, and while I'm sure the US CIA has worked for "stability" that may have been benign in some cases.

          I'm on a mission! Testing the new site rules.

          by blue aardvark on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:28:24 PM PDT

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          •  The Kurds have changed their strategy (10+ / 0-)

            True, you can't set up a country without a lot of bloodshed.  But I think the Kurds have decided not to insist on independence, but at the same time, to make it economically and militarily impossible not to more or less recognize them as a de-facto state.  One of the most interesting things over the last five years has been the extent to which the Iraqi Kurds are becoming allies of Turkey and not adversaries.  Erdogan needs Kurdish votes in SE Turkey, SE Turkey needs economic relations with Iraqi Kurdistan, and everyone in Turkey is suspicious of the Shia' dominated Iraqi government.  So a Kurdish border state that is highly dependent upon the Turkish economy serves Turkey's interests quite well.  Iraqi Kurdistan is a fact.  The question is whether Turkey can continue to pursue a moderate policy toward Kurds within its own borders. I am cautiously optimistic about that.  The record of the last decade has been far more positive than I ever thought possible, particularly compared with when first I visited SE Turkey and there was a full insurgency.

            “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

            by ivorybill on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:41:20 PM PDT

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