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  •  We know that 91% of the American public opposes (22+ / 0-)

    our involvement in the Syrian civil war, and the American government doesn't seem to care at all.

    Personally, I think it's only fair that we fix the last couple of Muslim countries we broke, before we break another one.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:45:16 AM PDT

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    •  made up statistic (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Are you aware of the recent Reuters/Ipsos poll? (13+ / 0-)

        Yes, I phrased the poll results in the strongest possible way for effect, but the same poll found that only 25% of Americans would support our intervention in Syria, even if it's proven that the Assad regime used chemical weapons against the rebels.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:32:56 AM PDT

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        •  but the poll with Mr. Boeing, Mr. Northrop-Grumman (9+ / 0-)

          Mr. Lockheed Martin, Mr. General Dynamics and the rest of the 'persons' on this list are in full support of the latest war.
          http://www.usatoday.com/...

          10. United Technologies (UTX) -- aircraft, electronics, engines
          Arm sales: $11.6 billion, total sales: $58.2 billion
          Gross profit: $5.3 billion, total workforce: 199,900

          United Technologies makes a wide range of arms — notably military helicopters, including the Black Hawk helicopter for the U.S. Army and the Seahawk helicopter for the U.S. Navy. The company was the biggest employer in the top 10 though arms sales accounted for just 20% of revenue. UTX also produces elevators, escalators, air-conditioners and refrigerators. International sales comprised 60% of the company's revenue in 2012.

          9. L-3 Communications (LLL) -- electronics
          Arm sales: $12.5 billion, total sales: $15.2 billion
          Gross profit: $956 million, total workforce: 61,000

          Some 83% of L-3 Communications sales in 2011 came from arms sales, but this was down from what it sold the prior year. The company has four business segments: electronic systems; aircraft modernization and maintenance; national security solutions; and command, control, communications, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance. Among many products manufactured, the company has become a major provider of unmanned aircraft systems.

          8. Finmeccanica -- aircraft, artillery, engines, electronics, vehicles and missiles
          Arms sales, $14.6 billion, total sales: $24.1 billion
          Gross profit: $ -3.2 billion, total workforce: 70,470

          Italian company Finmeccanica makes a wide range of arms, including helicopters and security electronics. Nearly 60% of the company's sales in 2011 were in arms. Finmeccanica lost $3.2 billion in 2011. The Italian company is currently fending off allegation that it paid bribes to win an approximately $750 million contract to provide 12 military helicopters to the Indian government in 2010. The then-head of the company, Giuseppe Orsi, was arrested in February but has denied wrongdoing. Other executives, including the head of the company's helicopter unit, have been replaced, and the company has delayed the release of recent financial results.

          7. EADS -- aircraft, electronics, missiles and space
          Arm sales: $16.4 billion, total sales: $68.3 billion
          Gross profit: $1.4 billion, total workforce: 133,120

          The European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS), based in the Netherlands, had sales in 2011 roughly in line with the prior year. Arms sales comprised just 24% of the company's revenue. EADS and BAE Systems unsuccessfully attempted to merge for $45 billion in 2012, which would have created the world's largest aerospace company. The deal collapsed in October after German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed concerns about the merger.

          6. Northrop Grumman (NOC) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, ships, space
          Arm sales: $21.4 billion, total sales: $26.4 billion
          Gross profit: $2.1 billion, total workforce: 72,500

          Northrop Grumman's 2011 arms sales comprised about 81% of total sales even after a sharp decline in arms sales year over year. The company attributed the decline to reduced government spending on defense projects. Nevertheless, the company was more profitable than in the prior year.

          5. Raytheon (RTN) -- electronics, missiles
          Arm sales: $22.5 billion, total sales: $24.9 billion
          Gross profit: $1.9 billion, total workforce: 71,000

          Raytheon, based in Waltham, Mass., is one of the largest defense contractors in the U.S. The company makes the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, among others. Arms sales comprised about 90% of the company's sales in 2011 though they as a total they were lower than in the prior year. The slide hasn't let up. Total sales in 2012 fell 1.5%, and Raytheon is expecting sales to fall 3% in 2013, a projection which doesn't take into account the effects of mandated budget cuts. The company can rely on overseas customers to somewhat offset weak sales at home. As of January, approximately 40% of the company's backlog was booked overseas. The company expects approximately a 5% increase in international sales in 2013.

          4. General Dynamics (GD) -- artillery, electronics, vehicles, small arms, ships
          Arm sales: $23.8 billion, total sales: $32.7 billion
          Gross profit: $2.5 billion, total workforce: 95,100

          With 18,000 transactions in 2011, General Dynamics was the third-largest contractor to the U.S. government. Of those contracts, approximately $12.9 billion worth went to the Navy, while an additional $4.6 billion went to the Army. The company's arms sales in 2011 comprised 73% of total sales. Arms sales in 2011 were slightly below 2010 levels. The company makes a host of products, including electric boats, tracked and wheeled military vehicles, and battle tanks. The company announced layoffs in early March, blaming mandated federal budget cuts.

          3. BAE Systems -- aircraft, artillery, electronics, vehicles, missiles, ships
          Arm sales: $29.2 billion, total sales: $30.7 billion
          Gross profit: $2.3 billion, total workforce: 93,500

          BAE Systems was the largest non-U.S. company based on arms sales. Arms sales represented 95% of the company's total sales in 2011 even though they were lower as a total of overall sales compared to the prior year. The products BAE sells include the L-ROD Bar Armor System that shields defense vehicles and the Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer that provides sophisticated simulation training for military pilots. In 2013, the company said its growth would likely come from outside the U.S. and Great Britain — its home market. BAE noted that its outlook for those two countries was "constrained," likely due to the diminished presence in international conflicts and government budget cuts.

          2. Boeing (BA) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
          Arm sales: $31.8 billion, total sales: $68.7 billion
          Gross profit: $4 billion, total workforce: 171,700

          Boeing was the second-largest U.S. government contractor in 2011, with about $21.5 billion worth of goods contracted. The Chicago-based company makes a wide range of arms, including strategic missile systems, laser and electro-optical systems and global positioning systems. Despite all these technologies, just 46% of the company's total sales of $68.7 billion in 2011 came from arms. Boeing is the largest commercial airplane manufacturer in the world, making planes such as the 747, 757 and recently, the 787 Dreamliner. The company is also known for its space technology — Boeing had $1 billion worth of contracts with NASA in 2011.

          1. Lockheed Martin (LMT) -- aircraft, electronics, missiles, space
          Arm sales:$36.3 billion, total sales: $46.5 billion
          Gross profit: $2.7 billion, total workforce, 123,000

          Lockheed Martin notched $36.3 billion in sales in 2011, slightly higher than the $35.7 billion the company sold in 2010. The arms sales comprised 78% of the company's total 2011 sales. Lockheed makes a wide range of products, including aircraft, missiles, unmanned systems and radar systems. The company and its employees have been concerned about the effects of the "fiscal cliff" and sequestration, the latter of which includes significant cuts to the U.S. Department of Defense. In the fall of 2012, the company planned on issuing layoff notices to all employees before backing down at the White House's request.

          without the ants the rainforest dies

          by aliasalias on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 01:00:48 PM PDT

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        •  Well if 25% would support intervention (0+ / 0-)

          then clearly 91% do not oppose it.

          And when people start claiming "undecideds" are secretly suporting their side, then you know you are dealing with some who doesn't mind playing fast and loose with facts.

        •  Don't bother trying to present facts to an (1+ / 1-)
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          unapologetic warmonger.

          "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

          by blue in NC on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 02:22:08 PM PDT

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