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  •  disagree but this isn't racism (12+ / 0-)

    and uprated accordingly.  Many of us here thought that the case would fail because the evidence was not there to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

    75534 4-ever or until dk5

    by NearlyNormal on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:16:02 AM PDT

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    •  Just because it is legal (4+ / 0-)

      Does not make it right.

      Slavery was legal, and still is if someone is incarcerated.

      Self defense against an unarmed minor? And you think that is morally correct?

      •  There are a number of people here who (7+ / 0-)

        love George Zimmerman and anything that benefits him is right and moral to them--no matter what it is..

        "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

        by rubyr on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:22:59 AM PDT

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        •  What a thing to say. (3+ / 0-)

          Its not about "love" for George Zimmerman, its about what the law is for everyone.  I don't love Zimmerman, don't even like him as a matter of fact, but you can't deal with facts so you have to project crap like that.

          75534 4-ever or until dk5

          by NearlyNormal on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:27:26 AM PDT

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          •  The facts are very subject to interpretation (2+ / 0-)
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            and your facts are not my facts. I believe that it is impossible to take these
            very pro Zimmerman positions without having at least a little love for him since he is a stone cold murderer.

            The law varies wildly from person to person as has been proven time and time again all over this country and certainly varies in it's application as regards the SYG laws and especially in Florida.

             

            "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

            by rubyr on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 04:20:16 PM PDT

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            •  before we even get to that (2+ / 0-)
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              Why discuss anything with someone who says  those of us who have commented on how the law works "love" Zimmerman.  That is not true and you should know it.  Its much more likely that your inability to discuss it without resorting to fallacies like that is because your view of all the facts around this case is colored by your hatred for Zimmerman, and based on this hatred you can't abide any legitimacy for any aspect of this that you think favors him. Paying his bills surely does favor him, but as I see the law he is entitled to those payments, not because I "love" him, but because according to the law he can make the claim.

              You don't have a right to assert as a fact that I have a little "love" for him, that is really devoid of any sense.

              75534 4-ever or until dk5

              by NearlyNormal on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 05:35:32 PM PDT

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        •  You are very silly (1+ / 0-)
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          Is this the best you can come up with?

        •  ruby, I have never read a comment here about GZ (0+ / 0-)

          that suggests that anyone "loved" him, or even liked him, or thought he was anything but a creep. What I have read is diaries and comments from people who knew something about Florida criminal law and how challenging this case was going to be for the State. As the trial progressed, and people were able to hear the witnesses, many here thought that the State did not proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt, and stated so. That analysis had nothing to do with GZ as a person, but everything to do with proving a case beyond a reasonable doubt.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:52:04 AM PDT

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      •  ns (1+ / 0-)
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        It certainly isn't as morally reprehensible as you make it out to be. Certainly nowhere on the level of "slavery". It is possible to die at the hands of an "unarmed minor" - especially when one is having one's head beaten into the concrete.

        Remember, it was Zimmerman on the bottom during that scuffle, getting his head beaten into the ground. TM could've run - if he were truly the victim. Instead, he climbed aboard and started wailing on the Hispanic dude. My level of sympathy for him decreased exponentially after that.

      •  Its not about morally correct and I don't (4+ / 0-)
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        know enough about the actual facts of the case to have a worthwhile opinion on that.  It is alson not about making it "right", he was tried and found not guilty and that is what you are pissed about.  I had nothing to do with the state of the evidence, but it was apparent early on that this was a case that the prosecution was likely to lose.

        On a personal note, I detest the extreme version of stand your ground.  My first cousin and childhood friend was shot right in front of his 12 yr old daughter by an armed idiot who didn't think my cousin was first to a parking spot.  What should have been a pretty easy 2nd degree murder or at least manslaughter conviction was derailed by this nonsense.  But, its what the state of the law is, and the personal attacks on people who try to explain what the law is and the probabilites of getting convictions amount to is pretty fucking weird, its like a big group denial thing.  That if everyone just says "oh its got to be a guilty verdict" then it will be a guilty verdict.  It was trial by outrage and anybody who didn't act like their hair was on fire got impugned.

        75534 4-ever or until dk5

        by NearlyNormal on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:22:46 AM PDT

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        •  If you detest it, act like it instead of lecturing (3+ / 0-)
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          others who don't seem to agree with you.

          If you are not outraged over the murder of a teenager who was minding his own business, then take a look inside your heart. Everyone's hair should have been on fire about this and the thousands of other POC murdered daily in this country and then brushed aside by talk of the "law". Screw the law. It is wrong.  

          "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

          by rubyr on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 04:24:13 PM PDT

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