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  •  Real goals (0+ / 0-)

    When the strikes happen it will be important to look at them through the lens of the true goal - to EXTEND the war in Syria.

    For us, a low level, conventional war in Syria is a good thing.  Saudi and Qatari advisors are getting good training and both are showing leadership in the region.  More importantly, Iran and Hezbollah are suffering irreplaceable losses of personnel in the fight that they will ultimately lose.

    Remember, the outcome is not in doubt.  Assad and the regime will lose...we will make sure of that.  But we need the opposition to inflict the defeat the same way the opposition did in Libya.  We want to be on the winning side without being the one to pick a winner and suffer the "Pottery Barn" rule.

    Strikes will happen because we want this to stay conventional.  We will send a message that killing is ok, killing with chemicals is not.  This conflict has another 2 years minimum and we want it to play all 9 innings, not get called early.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 03:55:29 PM PDT

    •  Weird perspective (2+ / 0-)
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      How does weakening Assad "extend" the conflict? If anything, it will shorten it, by making it easier for the confused jihadists to seize Damascus by the end of the year.

      Even if that was the perspective, another 2 years of low-intensity civil war would just bolster Russian arms sales. Iran is not losing sleep on it, because they clearly have entrances with the jihadists as well as historically-opportunistic ones with the Assad regime. Hezbollah might be slightly weakened overall, but their Lebanon strongholds will be unaffected, and again they'll quickly find common ground with an islamist regime.

      And when Assad is taken out, then what? Iraq, Lybia, Tunisia and Egypt failed spectacularly at producing US-friendly regimes. Iraq is not even allowing airspace to be used for this operation, which is quite shocking, frankly. The US will have done Iran's dirty work, yet again, by taking out another nationalistic competitor for local power and replacing it with a more Islamist potential long-term ally. Where we had a manageable, containable and reliable foe, we'll have a messy, fragile pseudo-ally with porous borders. To defend Israel is one thing; to create a lawless wasteland around it, is quite another.

      •  Odd criticism (0+ / 0-)
        Iraq, Lybia (sic), Tunisia, and Egypt failed spectacularly at producing US-friendly regimes.
        And if they had produced US-friendly regimes, you'd be denouncing them as puppet states.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 08:06:31 PM PDT

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        •  Me? (0+ / 0-)

          No, I'm a realist, I'd have considered it as mission accomplished.

          As an European, my priority is to ostracise and impoverish the armed crazies, so that we don't go back to the '70s/'80s, when Palestinians and Hezbollah were wheeling and dealing through my own continent and shit was blowing up everywhere. For that, I'd like to see Arab regimes that don't finance or legitimise the crazies in any way, and promote westernized societies that can flourish, like pre-Erdogan Turkey.

          Instead, the risk is that these "demo-islamic" states we're currently producing will, in fact, end up being little Pakistans. I'm sorry for my Egyptian friends, but I'd rather have Mubarak back than letting religious parties run that country; and I'd rather have a nationalistic known-entity running Syria rather than an unknown bunch of Wahabists or what-they-have.

          Arab countries are welcome to transition away from dictatorships once they figure out the whole church/state separation thing, but until then, egoistically speaking, I'm not sure they can be trusted to run the show on their own.

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