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  •  What happened to that effort to take (1+ / 0-)
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    tax-exempt status away from churches that were policital?

    ... like tears in rain

    by bladerunner on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:02:43 AM PDT

    •  THat wasn't actually about churches (0+ / 0-)

      but about 501(c)(4) organizations.  The initial diary was inaccurate.  Taking away exemptions for churches has a lot of unintended consequences, a lot of them bad.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:13:42 AM PDT

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      •  Like what? (0+ / 0-)

        The Republicans are defunding, not defending, America.

        by DSPS owl on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:30:37 PM PDT

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        •  Churches work both sides of the aisle (2+ / 0-)
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          Example: Churches were the backbone of the Civil Rights movement, and they couldn't have done it without straying into politics.  The inevitable loss of donations that would result would have bankrupted some of them, and without them who knows where the movement would be today?

          I'm not a church goer or supporter, but I give them the credit they're due.  Some of them -- maybe a lot of them -- are operated by charlatans and frauds fleecing the flock for personal gain and/or glory.  But an awful lot of them don't.  Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is usually unwise.

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:18:22 PM PDT

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          •  Thanks for answering. But (0+ / 0-)

            I'm against State Churches, State religions, & State Mosques on whichever continent.  Members assume rights for themselves; non-members suffer discrimination.  IMHO & in my experience.

            The Republicans are defunding, not defending, America.

            by DSPS owl on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 05:27:41 PM PDT

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        •  Like local governments... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...jacking up property assessments and tax rates to nail churches they don't like, or to inhibit the formation of new churches.

          This is already being done (and challenged) where zoning laws are concerned.  Here's one example, from June of this year.  The local government apparently requires new churches to have at least 3 acres of land, while nonreligious groups are not subject to such a minimum requirement.

          (For those of you who might not be able to visualize an area of 3 acres - picture an American football field.  The area from one goal line to the opposite 9-yard line and sideline-to-sideline is one acre.)

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 06:57:58 PM PDT

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          •  There's only one church in my area (0+ / 0-)

            that can afford to own that kind of land.

            They purchased it very slowly in sections off of widow's wills. And that total includes the church school's land.

            No church here can afford to own that kind of land without abuse of the congregation. Period.

            And only one church I've ever attended anywhere ever owned that much. The cost of upkeep, utilities, and incidentals like keeping the lightbulbs changed out for all of that was slowly killing the budget. It just wasn't sustainable.

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