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  •  Reality check. (1+ / 0-)
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    Observations by human beings on the ground are actually valid, even when not cited in a publication. In fact, a vast majority of information is based on someone's observation or perception in print or otherwise.

    When I visited Baguio in the Philippines in the late 1980's I visited a tourist attraction called Mines View Park. There was a fenced in spot on a cliff where you could look across a valley to the opposite canyon wall and see the caves that were built into it for gold mining. When I was there I heard tourists, some European and American laughing and carrying on. The focus of the crowds amusement was a group of Filipino children, in tattered clothes and flip-flops, slipping about on the dirt on the other side of the safety rail in proximity of a 90 ft drop off.  The children, 7 or 8 years old, were holding bamboo sticks, upon which a Styrofoam coffee cup was attached.  You see, the tourists were playing a little game with these children.  The tourists would toss a peso in the air, and the children would fight each other on the edge of the cliff to catch it in their cup. This was what the tourists were laughing about. This was great fun.

    I asked a nearby guard who was watching burros, that tourists would sit on for a picture against the canyon backdrop, if any of these children ever fell off the cliff.

    The guard said "yes" with a sad smile.

    Now, I just told you a story of what I saw.  I didn't see kids fall to their deaths the day I was there, but I believe that some have.  I don't think the guard was lying to me. You can say, "Well, this guy tells an interesting story, but he doesn't have any evidence of it."

    True, the only evidence I have of what I experienced is my experience, whether you believe what I experienced or not.

    I believe what my colleague said about the Alabama Church burnings, because he mentioned it in casual conversation about Alabama, where he had grown up, and I had no reason to believe he was lying to me. I respect he experienced what he experienced even if I didn't experience it with him.  

    One person's innuendo or rumor may actually be another person's experience

    To Fight is To Win.

    by FogBelter on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:19:33 PM PDT

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    •  What Churches? (0+ / 0-)

      White or black? The implication, because this is a diary about white churches, is that the church burnings you are referring were done by white churches. Was that the case?

      The dkos rule of thumb is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. As for me, I'm willing to take your word about the sad story of the kids on the edge of the cliff. Why? Because you said that you heard about it from a person that would know. But third hand rumor is awfully close to the old game of Telephone. How is what you've said in the grandparent post about the church burnings any different from any other conspiracy theory?

      best,

      john

      Strange that a harp of thousand strings should keep in tune so long

      by jabney on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 05:10:59 PM PDT

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      •  I see your point (0+ / 0-)

        The individual I was talking about was white and from rural Alabama. He was speaking of White Churches, because that is what he was familiar with in Alabama.

        To Fight is To Win.

        by FogBelter on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:14:10 PM PDT

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