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  •  Pearl Harbor (4+ / 0-)

    In the case of Pearl Harbor, one airstrike seemed to suffice. When there is talk that the ships we have in the Mediterranean have enough firepower to take out the entire list of military targets, I think we are talking an act of war on the United States part any way you look at it.

    Obama should consult Congress before taking action, because if he doesn't Republicans will likely try to impeach him for it.

    To Fight is To Win.

    by FogBelter on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:09:35 PM PDT

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    •  No they won't. Because if they do, (1+ / 0-)
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      they acknowledge the limits of Presidential power. Which is what they don't want to do in case one of them wins and they want to exercise twice as much power.

      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:13:48 PM PDT

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      •  That is the problem, ZB. (1+ / 0-)
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        They WILL exercise the power once in office. We are seeing the frequency of war by the US increase with each passing decade. That must be checked, now. Obama can do it and have a moral cause to win in the bargain. I think he would get his Declaration of War by Congress, in short order.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 09:18:51 PM PDT

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      •  Republicans play "Heads I win, Tails you lose." (1+ / 0-)
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        They will attempt to impeach Obama if he attacks Syria without consulting Congress, and, if they get the White House back, the Republican President will attack without consulting Congress and then use the corporate media to gin up sentiment amongst the American people that those who stand against the Republican President are traitors.  They kind have got that game down, and the American people haven't called them on it yet.

        Also, the MIC has been wickedly smart, because there are Defense related industries in practically every district in the United States, so there is a definite economic benefit for Democrat and Republican politicians alike in war time ... morality aside.

        To Fight is To Win.

        by FogBelter on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:32:32 PM PDT

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    •  That, and the Japanese declaration of war (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Pearl Harbor wasn't a war, (1+ / 0-)
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      it caused the US to formally enter the war by declaring war on Japan (in symmetry to the declaration that Japan made against the US).

      And Pearl Harbor was hardly "an airstrike."

      •  Pearl Harbor was an attack that initiated a War (0+ / 0-)

        And I'm fairly certain when you attack targets with planes that is an airstrike.

        To Fight is To Win.

        by FogBelter on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:22:47 PM PDT

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        •  A state of war existed, but it had to be declared (0+ / 0-)

          by Congress for the United States against Japan according to the Constitution for the President to act. That was, and is, proper Constitutional principle. The commander is hemmed in by the will of Congress no matter how dire the situation may be.

          Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

          by OregonOak on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:02:48 PM PDT

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