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  •  People are still People.. (1+ / 0-)
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    LilithGardener

    they make decisions the same old way they did, they have the same emotions and needs, they are as fast, and as slow. Those are the constraints on time. Not your fancy ass technology which is SUPPOSED to be under the control of human beings with all the aforementioned characteristics.

    Your argument is glib, but you do not recognize how stable human personality and ability is over time. That is the issue, not throw weights and silo doors. Those things do not operate automatically, but at the command of human beings. unless you are suggesting that this is not the case. That the technology has taken over and now human leaders are merely following some technological imperative. If that is the case, then we need the Constitution restored more than even I made the case for. We are in Desperate need to return to slow deliberation of life and death issues, and you make my case for me.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Tue Aug 27, 2013 at 10:08:30 PM PDT

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    •  Dude , (0+ / 0-)

      Glib ?
      I'm deadly serious .

      You are overlooking the reality of the modern world where things happen at a pace that can't be ignored .
      If you say to the President , you can't do things that need to be done until you get permission from congress , you are saying to the world , do what you want and if you can do it quick enough the U.S. will not respond because the CIC can't make a move until he has permission from congress .

      Those things do not operate automatically, but at the command of human beings. unless you are suggesting that this is not the case.
      My point wasn't that they are or are not done automatically , it was that the president needs to be able to do those things on his call whenever it needs to be done . He can't wait for congress to say ok , launch the bombers , open the silo doors , sail the subs . If the President waits for congress to give the ok , the nukes might have destroyed congress , the white house etc etc etc .  

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

      by indycam on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:38:24 AM PDT

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      •  If the threat is THAT bad, then violate the (0+ / 0-)

        Consitution, save the country and then, face the consequences. Thats what Lincoln did. He saved the country, and later, repaired the Constitution. You would first destroy the Constitution in CASE the worst happens, and then, live with its destruction while promoting the worst because our enemies will be right in accusing us of being just another Germany intent on Perpetual War. You base your restraint on the Personality of the President! That is NOT rule of law. That is rule by Personality Cult, otherwise known in the civilized world as a Non-Democracy, perhaps an Elected Dictator. I dont want to live in such a place, do you?  Bad bad reasoning, and bad bad politics.

        This situation doesnt even APPROACH that case. I dont know why you want to argue from absurd extremes in cases of where it is not Imminent Threat. Why? Because you are not able to discern the large from the small. You are not proportionate in your ideas. Thats all I can say. You dont pay attention to the ideas which matter in favor of the ones which are so passingly remote that should they happen, we have MUCH bigger problems than the survival of the Constitution. That is clearly not the case here. I do not understand minds like yours. You are obtuse and disproportionate. You argue like a sophomore and I beg your pardon.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:11:45 PM PDT

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