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  •  The marches will happen anyway (1+ / 0-)
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    If more domestic spending cuts, esp. to Social Security, are paired with a war 81% of America opposes.  We might as well make them well-organized marches.

    And I question your assertion that most liberal organizers know that marches do no good. There's a hell of a lot of marches and traditional protests being organized, just like there's a hell of a lot of online petitions being circulated. "the left," such as it is, does a whole lot of things that are mostly useless, or, at least, do not work to attain the goals that everybody says they do.

    there's a value to marches and rallies, but it's not to influence the pols.

    Liberals spend far too little time actually discussing, in practical terms, what tactics are likely to achieve, and which ones we should use for which situation. That's why I like having anarchists around--their presence makes it inevitable that a tactical discussion of some sort will at least happen.

    The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:49:52 AM PDT

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    •  You're right; sooner or later (2+ / 0-)
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      the marches will happen.  However, it's basic human nature to be more likely to risk injury and death when one's own neck is on the line than when some Syrian's neck is on the line.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 08:58:51 AM PDT

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      •  In this case, it's the money choices (1+ / 0-)
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        that put our necks on the line.

        Poverty is putting our necks on the line.

        Like I said, it's going to be the guns vs butter aspect of this that is going to seriously discommode those who try to gin up support for this war--as well as the fatigue America feels from being at war for over 10 years.

        Mr. Obama can have either his Social Security cuts or this war that 81% oppose and maybe get away without a bunch of social unrest; but he shouldn't count on being able to have both. Things like food stamp cuts at this time are also ill-advised.

        The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 10:35:59 AM PDT

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        •  "Can't have both" -- silliness. Of course we can. (2+ / 0-)
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          But....   we won't.

          The political agenda is to do away with public spending.

          But it's not about affordability issues.

          The US can afford a war with Syria and public spending.  The US is not monetarily constrained in it's spending -- it creates money out of thin air.

          But public spending is for you, and you're the wrong kind of person.

          Wars make the right kind of person rich.

          •  No, I mean, politically he can't have both (1+ / 0-)
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            vastly unpopular Social Security cuts and a vastly unpopular war. Not without social unrest.

            The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:10:30 AM PDT

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            •  I would hope you're right, but doubt it. People (2+ / 0-)
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              will just vote out Dems in hope of something better.

              I just don't see Americans facing down OWS type crackdowns in vast numbers.

              Life's both too difficult now -- and not difficult enough.

              But hope you're right and I'm wrong.

              But -- Americans are pretty sure that the US is going broke so don't know how they can demand more for themselves.

              I don't think there's anything more valuable for progressives to do than educate as many people as possible that the New Deal was possible because people demanded, and got, a fiat currency for national settlement.

              And Nixon changed the world's economy by taking us off gold for national settlement.

              But no one ever talks about this as both one of FDR's and Nixon's legacies.

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