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  •  I Have A MA In Journalism (4+ / 0-)
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    KVoimakas, earicicle, ER Doc, 43north

    Never used it, but I have it. I think my right, your right, to say post here should be protected as Journalism. That you might find a little story and write about it, but not have a newspaper back you, doesn't mean you are less of a Journalist then me. I could rant about this for hours ....

    But your idea of RKBA has changed for me. You know I am a fan of yours. But my thinking has changed. I want to ban guns. Just restrict the heck out of them.

    •  Well, tipped for convo. (10+ / 0-)

      Not quite what I'd like to hear, but hey, them's the breaks.

      I do kinda get what you're feeling. There are days I wish we could negate that religious freedom clause and just outlaw theism. Period. Organized religion, unorganized religion, etc.

      •  I Never Thought In My 40s (4+ / 0-)
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        my mind would change on this or that topic. It did. I've said over and over again I don't own a gun. Fired one twice. I support gun owners. Openly support them.

        But now I have changed to where I want total government control. I am not fearful of you, I trust you. But at this point I want to know every gun you own. I want you to show you know how to own them safely.

        Sorry but my change here ....

        •  Well, I don't agree, but I'm curious (6+ / 0-)

          as to how you reconcile that with recent NSA abuses (including the NSA giving data to the DEA and IRS and saying "hey, launder this and use it for X").

          •  Or reconcile this with the absolute, inescapable (10+ / 0-)

            reality that prohibition and the war on drugs has taught us: criminalization of possession of anything that enough people want has no impact on supply - but it sure does empower the most violent criminal gangs who make a killing (literally) supplying that demand.

            Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

            by Robobagpiper on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 07:34:31 AM PDT

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          •  Look I Am Reading Glenn Greenwald's (2+ / 0-)
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            carver, celdd

            book as we speak. Huge fan. I might be a hippie liberal but I actually would like less government. Not more in most instances.

            I have lived in the last three "murder capitals" of the nation. New Orleans, DC. Now St. Louis (or East St. Louis). Something needs to be done to stop this.

            Don't even get me started on Chicago, part of my state where I live. On some weekends more folks are killed then in Afganistan in a year.

            If you live where I live we are totally anal about permits to hunt. Guns owners (even bow owners) might not like it, but something they follow. I think we start there and move forward.

            •  webranding, I'm a fan of yours as well (1+ / 0-)
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              Your commentary (to the ears of a fellow DFH, who's also raising layer chickens), is always informed and civil.

              Points of agreement:
              1) too much gun violence.
              2) alcohol, drugs, and firearms do not belong in the same space.
              3) mandatory education, as-in the hunting license requirements of each and every State, IS desirable.

              Point of disagreement:  Registration.

              By the numbers:
              Gun violence.  There's two categories which stand-out.
              Crime, and gun deaths/injuries, in the furtherance of criminal enterprise.  Robobagpiper hit on it: Prohibition of a substance.
              We didn't "need" the NFA '34 to end machinegun violence against citizens, as there was none to speak-of.  It was all gangster violence, over the distribution of illegal alcohol.
              Ending the Volstead Act, ended the machinegun violence, but we passed the NFA '34 the following summer for two reasons.  1) it was wanted by the politicians  2) it was paid-for by the anti-labor capitalists.  The Pinkertons and paid-for Sheriffs had automatic weapons and short-barrelled shotguns.  The miners, dock workers, and seamstresses could not.  "Win".
              I'll say here what's been said in print by several self-identified Black commentators:
              500 dead Black children in Chicago ≠ 26 dead White children in Newtown.  Chicago is too easily dismissed as "gangs and drugs" when it's far more complex, and has to do with family, schools, jobs, and total lack of hope.

              Thus part two:  Suicide, homicide, and those persons intent on doing harm to themselves and others.
              We're reaping what we're sowing.  30 years of "turn 'em loose" with no real funding to mental health has created this epidemic of death.  For a wide variety of reasons, we avoid contact with the mental health system, and it avoids contact with us in return.  It's such a large topic, it's a whole diary or series thereof.
              Eliminating the guns completely, will not eliminate the suicides.  
              Working in NYS, where handguns were not easily obtained, meant dealing with frequent suicides anyway.  I didn't work 24/7, and yet I saw what was known or suspected a suicide at-least monthly.  More adults in winter with S.A.D., more youths towards late spring/summer/early fall - usually over social interactions, or parental demands.

              Substance abuse and guns.  Just as with driving, you have a lethal weapon in your possession.  Just as with driving, confiscation of that weapon, court sentencing, and removal of your ability to legally obtain and operate that lethal weapon must be the law of the land.
              Any who aid you in circumvention, catch the same penalty.

              Mandatory firearms education.  People HATE the NRA.  I get that.
              Where's the non-NRA firearms education provided as a service by MAIG, VPC, or the LCAV?

              Too much of our nation is trained by video games, or by toothless uncle Ebner, who set's his empties up on the log, and it you hit 1-in-3, you're 'good to go'.
              That breeds the idiotic phrase:

              "It went off, I didn't do nuthin'."

              Exactly.  You DIDN'T do - precisely "nuthin".  A live round was chambered, and caused to fire.

              Criminal negligence with a firearm should be a Class A (or I) Misdemeanor if it results in no physical injury.
              Negligently hurt someone?  Felony of 5 years confinement, if not longer, depending on circumstance.

              I do not agree, that a gun registry will have nearly the same impact that institution of these needed reforms will have.

              Further, let's explore one of KV's citations:  Rhode Island.
              Here it is rephrased:

              The liberty of the citizenry being essential to the security of freedom in a state, any person not convicted of a crime of violence may keep and bear firearms, being responsible for the abuse of that liberty; and in all trials for libel, both civil and criminal, the defense of self or an innocent third party, unless for malicious motives, shall be sufficient defense to the person charged.
              I'm late... and have to be moving along.  I'll seek your comments later in the day.

              The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

              by 43north on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:13:16 AM PDT

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