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  •  Just take the log out of your own eye first. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not the one pretending that an entire clause of the amendment is no more than a fart in a gale.

    I googled "confirmation bias" and Daily Kos raided my house! And and and smashed my hard drives! Ask CNN, it's all truthy!

    by Inland on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:46:13 AM PDT

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    •  No one here has said any such thing. (7+ / 0-)

      Attributing arguments to those who have not made them is inherently dishonest.

      What has been said, however, is that the prefatory clause is an explanatory one, rather than a limiting one.

      No one has said anything that could reasonably be equated to "no more than a fart in a gale."  That being the case, what you are doing is setting up a strawman to knock down.  It is a common enough tactic, but because it is regularly used does not make it a compelling or even an honest tactic.

      Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

      by theatre goon on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:26:32 PM PDT

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      •  Call it whatever you want. (0+ / 0-)

        It ensures that "keep and bear arms" means what it seems to mean, namely, keeping arms and bearing arms for the militia.

        Not carrying them to Starbucks.

        Not standing your ground.

        Not extended mags.

        Shit, not even "owning" them.  That's the one that gets me.  For all the shit about how people wrote back then, do you really think they forgot the words "own guns"?  

        I googled "confirmation bias" and Daily Kos raided my house! And and and smashed my hard drives! Ask CNN, it's all truthy!

        by Inland on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:41:41 PM PDT

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        •  That is creative, at least. (9+ / 0-)

          But, you are simply doing what you are falsely accusing others of -- ignoring the plain language of the 2nd Amendment to creatively "interpret" it in a way you prefer.

          The only problem is, there is absolutely no support for your version of the text.

          At least, not if we are using the English language.  

          Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

          by theatre goon on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:46:24 PM PDT

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          •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

            It's not creative to note the word "own" isn't in there.
            If the drafters had wanted to include a right to own guns, they knew how to do it.  The only thing that hasn't really changed in six hundred years is property law.  We're using the same words Blackstone used.

            What's in there is "keep and bear arms" which has a military context and implies that hunting and home defense aren't included.  Makes perfect sense, given that the purpose of the amendment is to provide for well regulated militias in defence of a Free State.

            Pretty simple, really.  All it takes is reading.

            I googled "confirmation bias" and Daily Kos raided my house! And and and smashed my hard drives! Ask CNN, it's all truthy!

            by Inland on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:50:26 PM PDT

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        •  Once again.... (6+ / 0-)

          by what rules of grammar?

          And "keep": http://www.merriam-webster.com/...

          Your hate-mail will be graded.

          by PavePusher on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 12:53:35 PM PDT

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        •  SYG has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment..... (2+ / 0-)
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          .... it's just a modification of the self-defense law.

          Self-defense laws do not speak towards the method, except insofar as to draw a distinction between force and deadly force, the latter typically being defined as force that a reasonable person would know is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death.

          We would have the same self-defense laws even if your ideal world without guns came into existence tomorrow.

          There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap box, ballot box, jury box and ammo box. Use in that order.

          by Crookshanks on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 03:05:31 PM PDT

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