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  •  applying logic (11+ / 0-)

    to mysticism is, in the end, a fruitless task. The classic conundrum, 'if god is omnipotent can he create a rock he cannot move' sums up most of your discussion. It's 'beyond our understanding', to plagiarise the bible.

    •  "beyond our understanding" (3+ / 0-)
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      Is the reason early man created gods and God in the first place.   Especially if those early men had children that kept asking questions like "Why?".   What better way for an ignorant man to explain a phenomenon than "God's will"?
      As we, as a species, learn more and more, gods and God becomes less important in our understanding of how things work.   But the moral examples still shine through, regardless.  If only the fundamentalists weren't so stupidly literal.  

    •  Indeed, (1+ / 0-)
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      faith by definition is believing in that which cannot be proven through observation, analysis, or reason.

      Of course, believing in stuff like that is basically believing in superstition.

      I am, troubled, however, as a logical thinker, that I am hard-pressed to decide if there is a human soul. I do believe that the right thing to do and the smart thing to do are always the same thing. Therefore, it's willful stupidity that is a "sin" in my book.

      When I read Genesis as allegory, however, I find it remarkably insightful. Those old Jews were pretty smart. Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil equates to gaining self-awareness, IMHO. Once our brains reached a certain critical mass, we became "God" because we became creators. We no longer simply responded to stimuli, both genetic and environmental. We could now create a third way.

      Had we not eaten the fruit and stayed in the moment blissfully unaware as animals (presumably) are, Eden (a perfect physical place) would have been paradise indeed. And we would have been obedient. It was the rebel in us (Satan?) that said eat the fruit because we would become creators ourselves, and rivals to God (after all, Satan created Hell, which some folks seem to prefer). The Old Testament has only one real commandment: Obey! For ignorance is bliss and God will make sure you suffer if you don't.

      Personally, I'm glad Adam and Eve went for it. I think we can do better than Hell. Or at least make a better Hell. I'm an optimist.

      Somebody's probably already said most of this below, but I got here late and I haven't read all the comments yet. So forgive me. It's the smart thing to do.

      "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

      by Dragon5616 on Fri Sep 20, 2013 at 02:04:16 PM PDT

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    •  mysticism (0+ / 0-)

      A character in one of A. Huxley's novel asks "is it mysticism or misty scism"? Deities in the Hindu pantheon are sometimes  described as having Aspects and Attributes.
      Personally,I believe that there are few if any angels dancing on the head of Occam's pin in search of a shave.

      "....at last in virtue's narrow cell, the wretched bondsman sits"-Auden

      by pixelate on Sat Sep 21, 2013 at 12:57:14 PM PDT

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