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  •  I wish he had just been willing (5+ / 0-)

    to set aside his feelings/disapproval of the Washington guys.

    It is America's misfortune that in times of trouble, her most loyal defenders end up fighting each other. Carter/Kennedy one such case.  Couldn't ask for two more patriotic men, or more principled at least as regards the national welfare. They fought each other--and Reagan won.

    The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:41:44 PM PDT

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    •  Ayatollah Khomeini beat Carter in 1980... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...not Reagan, not the crappy economy, and definitely not Ted Kennedy (who absolutely worked his ass off for Carter when it came down to it, starting on Labor Day of that year). Anything we're told to the contrary is, basically, just revisionist history. On a secondary basis, the Teamsters defecting to the Reagan camp didn't help matters (especially in some key states), either.

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:50:53 PM PDT

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      •  Look--Reagan campaign not IMO entirely separable (1+ / 0-)
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        from Ayatollah Khomeini.

        This is not conclusive proof, obviously; but there is evidence to support this position, and I, for one, believe it.

        And I'm usually in favor of primaries, but that one was poorly timed (which is not a reason never to have one again, btw, though the Dems have decided to take it that way).

        The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:57:36 PM PDT

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        •  There's new evidence supporting this (1+ / 0-)
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          And it's shocking . . .

          The source is from former Irani President Abolhassan Bani-Sadr, who was, well, there.  He had (and has) no axe to grind by coming out with this information since he had been deposed in a coup in the early 1980s, and has been living in France ever since.

          I was deposed in June 1981 as a result of a coup against me. After arriving in France, I told a BBC reporter that I had left Iran to expose the symbiotic relationship between Khomeinism and Reaganism.

          Ayatollah Khomeini and Ronald Reagan had organized a clandestine negotiation, later known as the “October Surprise", which prevented the attempts by myself and then-US President Jimmy Carter to free the hostages before the 1980 US presidential election took place. The fact that they were not released tipped the results of the election in favor of Reagan.

          When they call roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty'. --Teddy Roosevelt

          by thenekkidtruth on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:15:19 PM PDT

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      •  Did Kennedy really help? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not questioning your knowledge in the matter, and I'm not looking to be combative. I'm genuinely curious.

        I was only 13 at the time (but already a politics junkie), and I'll always have the image at the DNC of President Carter desperately seeking Kennedy's hand to grasp as the balloons fell at the close of the Convention. If I remember that scene correctly, Kennedy kept on acting as though Carter didn't exist. It was painful, and the hatred Kennedy felt toward Carter was palpable.

        But he did end up helping, huh? That's good to know, because in that moment, Kennedy came across as petulant and awful.

        My father loved Jimmy Carter. He also loved the Kennedys. He was torn in the primaries, but I think he ended up voting for Kennedy.

        Now, you can't really dismiss the economy, can you? By every measure, it was a disaster. The hostage situation in Iran (and the various shenanigans that it sprouted) certainly didn't help, but I'm sure one could put forth the argument that Carter's presidency was doomed on the economy alone.

        Also, wasn't it a disaster for Carter's team to agree to one debate and have it scheduled so closely to the election?

        How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

        by BenderRodriguez on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:09:10 PM PDT

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    •  My recollection was slightly different (2+ / 0-)
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      Kennedy sabotaged the Carter presidency. Not for the good of the country, but due to his own petty hopes for winning that office.

      Kennedy made other errors, too. His approach to health care with Nixon should make us cringe.

      What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

      by agnostic on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:51:38 PM PDT

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      •  To quote Ted Kennedy's brother (4+ / 0-)

        There was plenty of blame to go around.

        But most of it should lay at the feet of the traitors who made a deal with Khomeini to delay the release of the hostages.

        The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:58:49 PM PDT

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    •  The "Georgia Mafia" was a mess. (0+ / 0-)

      Hamilton Jordan and Bert Lance come to mind.

      Jody Powell seemed better, but you still had the president settling fights over who could use the white house tennis court.

      More:

      http://www.pbs.org/...

    •  Interesting history. (1+ / 0-)
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      However, his refusal to play by the rules of Washington contributed to the Carter administration's difficult relationship with Congress. Hamilton Jordan and Frank Moore, in particular, feuded with leading Democrats like House Speaker Tip O'Neill from the start. Unreturned phone calls, verbal insults (both real and imagined), and an unwillingness to trade political favors soured many on Capitol Hill and tangibly affected the president's ability to push through his ambitious agenda.

      During the first 100 days of his presidency, Carter wrote a letter to Congress proposing several water projects be scrapped. Among the opponents of Carter's proposal was Senator Russell Long, a powerful Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee.[14] Carter's plan was overturned and bitter feeling became a problem for him.[15]

      A rift grew between the White House and Congress. Carter wrote that the most intense and mounting opposition to his policies came from the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, which he attributed to Ted Kennedy’s ambition to replace him as president.[16]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...
      •  it would be great if there could be a middle (0+ / 0-)

        ground between a Carter-style royal pissing off of the powerful Senate Democrat on the Finance Committee, and the way the Obama administration has dealt with Max Baucus.

        IMO, we haven't had anyone truly good at dealing with Congress since LBJ--but then, it's a different Congress now than it was then.

        The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:14:18 AM PDT

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