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  •  Unable to blame the president? (10+ / 0-)

    Of course they will blame the president. Even if everything goes well, they will blame him for something or other. It is not possible that they will NOT blame him.

    •  Good poinr. Well made :) (9+ / 0-)

      I still want them to own it.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:58:29 PM PDT

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      •  We need to have Tea Party Congressmen (4+ / 0-)

        voting on whether the Commander in Chief can fire off some cruise missiles? We haven't needed such approval in the past, so I don't see why we should change the rules now just because this president looks a little different from his predecessors.

        •  I disagree (4+ / 0-)
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          commonmass, TJ, Susan from 29, Tweedledee5

          and not because this President looks different.

          He looks like The President to me.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 03:03:47 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, but the reason that GOP right wingers (2+ / 0-)
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            think he should go to Congress every time he wants to give an order to the military is that they view him as an illegitimate president. And the reason they don't accept that he is the true Commander in Chief is because he is black. We should not be agreeing with the GOP that Obama must go to them while at the same time vehemently disagreeing with them on their position that as a black man he is not a real president empowered to make these decisions on his own.

            •  The government has been running (3+ / 0-)
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              Susan from 29, Garrett, snoopydawg

              Black Ops in Syria for months. They have been collecting intel, and supplying various groups with arms. They have been doing this because that is what they always do.

              That kind of limited intervention is covered by the enumerated rights of the President, but launching what amounts to a missile bombardment, potentially lasting several days against a foreign country who is no immediate threat to the US, is the very thing Congress should authorise.

              Whatever warped view the Right has of Barack Obama, we do not have to feed it.

              Do not think for a moment that if any military action has unintended consequences, they won't decide that he exceeded his authority, and tie him up in impeachment proceedings.

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              Who is twigg?

              by twigg on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 03:17:30 PM PDT

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              •  A differing take (3+ / 0-)
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                Launching a military attack against a foreign country who is no immediate threat to the US or an ally, and without U.N. authorization, is something Congress should not authorize.

                It's illegal under international law.

                Some aspects of international law get pretty messy. But this issue is clear and straightforward.

                •  Great point (0+ / 0-)

                  A point ignored sincevthe Raygun admin.
                  Cheney got his feelings hurt when theybrolled backresidential powers.
                  From Drift.
                  Great read v

                  Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

                  by snoopydawg on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:48:50 PM PDT

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        •  The fact that we have done it in the past without (1+ / 0-)
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          twigg

          consulting the only body with the Constitutional duty to declare war doesn't mean we have to do it again.

        •  doc2 (0+ / 0-)

          Yes we need Congress to give approval of whether the CIC can attack another country.
          It is the War Powers Act, and I don't give a damn if other presidents ignored it.
          Read Drift and educate yourself as to why this is needed.

          Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

          by snoopydawg on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 11:38:45 PM PDT

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