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  •  interesting in whats absent (5+ / 0-)

    for instance, no question about the assumed legality the admin would claim for any such strikes, apart from unspecified "international norms".

    (that shows quite clearly the right wing framing inherent in this list).

    •  And this at the end of the 4th paragraph (3+ / 0-)
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      In addition, it is essential you address on what basis any use of force would be legally justified and how the justification comports with the exclusive authority of Congressional authorization under Article I of the Constitution.

      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:02:16 PM PDT

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      •  I hope that slows down the rush to war. (2+ / 0-)
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        Congress comes back September 9, a week and a half from now. The UN will have, by that time, made it's findings known. England will have had their votes and we should have a better informed debate if it waits until Congress comes back.
        My understanding from the UN security council meeting today was that Russia insists that nothing start until the inspectors report. If they report that it WAS the regime's weapons, then Russia has a dilemma since this is their client state.
        What I would hope is that they apply whatever leverage they can at that point and moot any debate in this country.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 04:28:17 PM PDT

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      •  good (3+ / 0-)
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        TJ, devis1, semiot

        i had only gone through the list as in the diary, not through Boehner´s linked letter. There is that. Good. However, it seems to me that he refers to legality within the American domestic context. The more important question (from an international policy standpoint) is whether American use of force would be legal in international law (Völkerrecht). It seems Boehner downplays this question - and thats precisely right wing framing since those people tend to reject the binding force of international law in the first place.  

        (although, on this point I am far more disappointed in the administration. Over Yugoslavia/Kosovo, there went years by wrangling over a way to reconcile international legality with legitimacy. Over Iraq, the Bushies, committed enemies of international law, still felt obliged to do a half-year charade of policy theater angling for legal cover they claimed they did not need. Now, a SecState declaring moral outrage is all it needs to justify armed action against another state? And everyone mumbles along? That I find depressing.)  

        (NATO has declared that action against Syria is not on its agenda. That was a hopeful ray of sanity. Although, if this becomes a US-UK vigilante action, that will just haste the UN-ification of NATO itself. Back to the 19th century with us all?)

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