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  •  One can be anti-interventionist w/o isolationist (13+ / 0-)

    For instance, I personally think we have a duty to help fund the UN agencies dealing with the refugee crisis. We, as a rich nation, have a responsibility to provide such humanitarian assistance. But military intervention always proves costlier and more destructive.

    •  Interesting to to read that (0+ / 0-)

      Response above yours in context of the topic of the post.

      Government of, for, and by the wealthy corporate political ruling class elites. We are the 99%-OWS.

      by emal on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 04:45:27 AM PDT

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      •  Pendulums swing back and forth (0+ / 0-)

        I read the original comment to suggest a swing not only away from the extremity of war but from international engagement of any sort to the extreme of isolationism.

        -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

        by JPax on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:04:54 AM PDT

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    •  The isolationist argument should always be made (0+ / 0-)

      Someone should always be asking if the adventure benefits the American people.  All other alliances and international agreements are optional.  Our social contract is with We the People and the non-royal We should be considered first not last.

      •  False dichotomy, we can have peace w/o isolation. (1+ / 0-)

        -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

        by JPax on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:06:10 AM PDT

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        •  But that's not happening (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not saying the isolationist argument should always win but it should always be made.  Our default position should be the consideration of how any policy foreign or domestic for that matter impacts the American people.   Others can make the interventionist or internationalist case but I think too often no one makes the case for us.  

          Particularly if you're out here in the middle west thousands of miles from any ocean and if you're a Minnesotan you don't even argue with Canada except over fish, why do we need these foreign adventures?  

          I mean if you want to care about a suffering kid, fund a mission somewhere.  You won't run out of suffering kids to help but believing that war is the way to help them is crazy.

          •  "Fair and balanced", "we report, you decide"? :) (0+ / 0-)

            I hate to equate a Kossack to Faux News, but I disagree that every extreme position deserves a seat at the table for consideration. In this modern era of international trade, I think of Isolationism as an extreme philosophy, up there with Randianism and Global-Despotism.

            I agree we need to consider each act of international engagement on its merit as to how it affects the US, but I consider that to be the antithesis of Isolationism, which refuses to consider any such policies regardless of merit.

            -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

            by JPax on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:42:21 AM PDT

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            •  I think isolationism concentrates the mind (0+ / 0-)

              on the original intent of the Constitution which is to defend Americans and promote our general welfare.  

              That is too often forgotten and we go off on adventures which have little or no utility for Americans.  That's been pretty much the case since WWII.  

              We've gone to the other extreme, intervening everywhere and anywhere for reasons that have nothing do with Americans.  

    •  what about a defended and defined safe area (1+ / 0-)

      near the Turkish border for refugees?

      A seriously defended and defined area without messy safe havens for rebel groups ...either 'friends' or 'foe'..............ahhh, nevermind, the CIA would totally compromise it and use it as a staging area for picking the Right Rebels™.

      This machine kills Fascists.

      by KenBee on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 12:27:47 PM PDT

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