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  •  asdf (3+ / 0-)

    So it's not about the principle of safeguarding the constitution and protecting the 2A, no matter the costs?
    It's about winning elections, no matter the principle?
    What do you want to see in the recall elections in Colorado?

    If the majority of americans (let's say 75% or so) supported repeal of the 2A, would you support that position to win elections?

    •  It's a combination. (9+ / 0-)

      I wouldn't agree with no matter the cost.
      I wouldn't agree with no matter the principle.

      I think a warning shot across the bow of the Democratic party (if either of the two were recalled in Colorado) might stave off pushing gun control in other areas where it'll hurt the Democratic party. I honestly don't know how it's going to turn out.

      If the majority of Americans supported repeal of the second amendment, then they could do it even though I personally wouldn't agree, approve, or support said act.

      •  Good to know (3+ / 0-)

        Thanks for the reply.  

      •  So you are for the warning shot (1+ / 0-)
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        thinking it will be a good thing ?

        The warning shot proves that shots will be taken
        so let that shot be a lesson not to do things that
        will get you shot at ?

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

        by indycam on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:49:20 AM PDT

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        •  That would be my guess as to what would happen (2+ / 0-)
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          if one or both of them get recalled.

          •  Care to answer directly the question ? (1+ / 0-)
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            might stave off pushing gun control in other areas where it'll hurt the Democratic party.
            The warning shot proves that shots will be taken
            so let that shot be a lesson not to do things that
            will get you shot at ?

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

            by indycam on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:57:16 AM PDT

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            •  No, Yoda. Phrase it more succinctly and sure. nt (2+ / 0-)
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              •  You don't answer because you don't understand ? (1+ / 0-)
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                The warning shot proves that shots will be taken
                so let that shot be a lesson not to do things that
                will get you shot at ?

                I suggest you think about the question ,
                try to understand why its being asked ,
                and why its being asked the way it is worded .

                Once you grasp why it is the question ,
                then you might also see the problem .

                ............................

                The recall proves that recalls will be attempted
                so let that recall be a lesson
                to not do the things that lead to recalls ?

                People who try to do gun legislation
                will be recalled because they tried to do gun legislation
                so don't do gun legislation
                because it leads to recalls .

                Its circular .

                ....................................

                You are for the recall because it

                might stave off pushing gun control in other areas where it'll hurt the Democratic party.

                You want the recall now so that Democrates might stave off pushing gun control because it will get them hurt .

                You want the punishment now
                to train Democrats to do things
                to not be punished latter .  

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                by indycam on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:17:51 AM PDT

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                •  Are you writing in prose or verse? (4+ / 0-)

                  Let me put it this way. I supported Walker's recall. I have family all over in Wisconsin and was born in Janesville. If he was successfully recalled, do you think the GOP in Wisconsin might've backed down? Do you think other Governor's might've gone "oh shit" and not pushed forward with their idiotic agendas?

                  I'm not saying I support or oppose the recall. The process has started. I'm looking at what happens if they're successfully recalled or unsuccessfully recalled.

                  •  I think you let the cat out of the bag (0+ / 0-)
                    I'm not saying I support or oppose the recall.
                    vs
                    I think a warning shot across the bow of the Democratic party (if either of the two were recalled in Colorado) might stave off pushing gun control in other areas where it'll hurt the Democratic party.
                     It sure reads like you are for the recall because it will get the democrats taught a lesson . A lesson to "stave off pushing gun control" because it will hurt the party . It sure sounds like you are for the punishment to prove that punishment will take place for repeating the behavior that brought the punishment .

                    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                    by indycam on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 10:39:00 AM PDT

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                    •  ....you do realize that in our boilerplate, we (4+ / 0-)

                      point towards gun controlling hurting the Democratic party, right?

                      This prediction is in line with that.

                      •  And that makes it ok ? (1+ / 0-)
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                        Anything that supports your boiler plate , even the recall , is fine because you will sacrifice even elected democrats in pursuit of your goals ?

                        I could go as far as to claim you are putting your goals above the Democratic party . You are willing to go along with the recall because it will teach Democrats not to go against your wishes re gun control . That's your right , but I would be good if you could admit right up front and not dance around it with words .

                        You are for the recall ,
                        because you want to see Democrats back away from gun control ,
                        you want to show that gun control will get people recalled ,
                        so you are for the recall ,
                        because you want to see Democrats back away from gun control ,
                        repeat endlessly .

                        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                        by indycam on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:16:11 AM PDT

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                    •  A warning shot across the bow is just that, a shot (1+ / 0-)
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                      that does not hit the target but is close enough to warn off another ship (originally)

                      He is in no way stating he wants the recall to actually work...I will state I hope it comes damn close and puts the skeer into other ridiculous gun control measures that are statistically shown to have no effect.......

                      Do I want the Dems to lose?  No or I wouldn't be here.

                      I Do want the Dems to preserve protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic".....That includes defending the 2nd as well as the 1st 4th and 5th...........

                      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                      Emiliano Zapata

                      by buddabelly on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 01:30:19 PM PDT

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        •  No, and we've had this discussion before, indycam (4+ / 0-)
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          Warning shots go somewhere. Therefore such things are a bad idea.
          Warning shots waste bullets you may need more later.
          Warning shots display your lack of conviction.
          Warning shots create potential for unintentional damage / injury to people not involved in the situation.

          Warning shots are not a good idea, period.
           

          LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 01:55:48 PM PDT

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          •   warning shots are illegal in every jurisdiction (2+ / 0-)
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            I know of for all the reasons you listed and one more, the big cheese, the elephant in the room.

            A gun is only used to stop an attacker.  That is the only legal use of a gun in most cities except at a range.

            If you have the time and space to fire a warning shot, you never should have fired as your life or health or another's life and health are not in the immediate need to stop the assailant by shooting.

            No one should ever pull the trigger unless and until the danger is unambiguous and can only be stopped by your sidearm.

            Take careful aim at the assailant and aim center mass......better chance of a quick stop which is what we are interested in....stopping the attack, not in killing the attacker......

            Biden's ridiculously bad advice to both fire a warning shot and to fire blindly through a closed door where you have absolutely no idea what is on the other side....That's at min a manslaughter conviction in almost every state.

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 01:57:51 PM PDT

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    •  On a personal note I am not interested (3+ / 0-)
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      in what a majority of the population believes, likes or dislikes. Democracy is majority rule which is mob rule and results in tyranny of the majority. Our laws are supposed to be based on the constitution not on the whims of a majority of the people. I wouldn't care if 100% of the population wanted a particular law enacted if it's not constitutional they can go suck eggs.

      You eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?

      by oldpunk on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:08:43 PM PDT

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