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  •  Almost never... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...unless you live in an area with a problem with drug gangs. They definitely prefer automatic weapons. Which is what the NRA want us to focus on, right, the criminals?

    Hard to "prove" why this is good because the NRA has sponsored the elimination of any research on gun violence (which gun, which crimes, which locations, how many casualties) beginning in 1994 and 1996.

    So, the ant-fact party has successfully prevented the gathering of facts....but not the existence common sense.    

    “Ten people who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent.”

    by frenchy339 on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 04:53:22 PM PDT

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    •  Criminals rarely get machineguns, except in (1+ / 0-)
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      Hollywood movies and TV shows.  

      I can't remember the last time someone used a machine gun to commit a crime.  Most criminals like small cheap and stolen pistols from what I have read.  

      I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

      by DavidMS on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 07:10:43 PM PDT

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      •  Not always true that "cheap and stolen pistols" (0+ / 0-)

        are the weapon of choice for armed criminals.

        This is just one example --- but one that some suggest became a turning point toward the militarization of police forces across America:

        North Hollywood Shootout

        Botched L.A bank heist turns into bloody shootout

        How the North Hollywood Shootout Changed Patrol Arsenals

        The shootout gave law enforcement a compelling reason to better arm patrol officers with semi-automatic rifles.

        Fifteen years ago, on Feb. 28, 1997, Los Angeles police officers engaged in one of the fiercest gun battles in modern U.S. law enforcement history. The failed bank robbery and firefight that followed during the 44 minutes from 9:17 to 10:01 a.m. would forever alter the way police agencies arm, equip, and train patrol officers.

        The setting for what became known as the North Hollywood Shootout was a Bank of America branch on Laurel Canyon Boulevard in the San Fernando Valley community patrolled by the Los Angeles Police Department...

        •  There are always a few exceptions (0+ / 0-)

          You can add in Platt and Matix.  They were better armed than the FBI agents (but did not have machine guns) and that shootout lead to the development of the ill-fated 10mm auto.  

          I never said criminals never use rifles.  I just said that they tend to prefer cheap hand guns.  

          I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

          by DavidMS on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:14:47 PM PDT

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          •  I'm guessing most criminal shooters (1+ / 0-)
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            use whatever weapons they can afford to buy, steal or otherwise obtain.

            Let's make it harder for all criminals to get their hands on guns.

            Make sense to you?

            What do we need to do?

            •  We could stop begging the question (0+ / 0-)

              Is a bit cheaper in the long run to stop making criminals than developing elaborate systems to keep them from getting sharp pointy objects.  

              End the war on drugs.  Engage in lead paint mitigation.  Clean up Tetraethyllead.  Provide a Finnish baby box to each expectant mother.  And as the Fins also do, trust their teacheras professionals.  

              Crime is falling and its got nothing to do with the presence or absence of guns.  

              Otherwise spend some time watching Bruce Schneier's TED talk, its only ~20 minutes.  Its not about guns, its how to think about safety and security.  

              I'm a 4 Freedoms Democrat.

              by DavidMS on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:49:17 AM PDT

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            •  Theft from family and friends is an important (1+ / 0-)
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              channel through which guns move from a legal buyer into the criminal market.

              Fewer than a dozen states require require reporting lost or stolen firearms to the police.


              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 01:12:30 PM PDT

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