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  •  anyone trying to frame this as (2+ / 0-)
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    'no worse then anything else' is trying imo to sweep this under the rug hence the point of my above math.

    As to comments, I suggest people go reread most of yesterday's diaries including kos' which I strongly disagree with.

    •  How so? (6+ / 0-)
      anyone trying to frame this as 'no worse then anything else' is trying imo to sweep this under the rug
      Your opinion fails to take into account that dead is dead, regardless of the means used to kill.

      That's not "sweeping it under the rug". That is "stating a fact".

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:30:37 PM PDT

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      •  Ummm....Let me preface this by repeating (3+ / 0-)

        that I am implacably opposed to any military adventure in Syria, and will be hitting the streets protesting it, just as I did with the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war.

        However, the "dead is dead" formulation hides more than it reveals.

        A bomb takes your life or your limbs--horrible! A chemical weapon that does not take your life may seriously compromise your children, who will now be born with birth defects. And the effects may last through a couple of generations--chemical weapons are more horrible forms of warfare than conventional weapons, despite what Kos says.

        It's *Gandhi*, not Ghandi

        by poco on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:38:20 PM PDT

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        •  Nobody is saying they aren't horrible (3+ / 0-)
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          what they are saying is that A) the end result is the same and B) it's not enough of a justification--particularly when there are still questions about the "facts" alleged here to begin with.

          And I'll be protesting just like you, so I'm not sure why that needed clarity. It's just really hard to give a shit about "the method of delivery" when it is so goddamn wrong for us to even be considering this "unilateral" action at all.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:53:02 PM PDT

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          •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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            A) is pointless and frankly a fallacy. It's like saying that since both manslaughter and murder lead to the same result there is no difference there.

            B) is subjective at best never mind that there are actual treaties that are being violating right now.

            And I would have thought the math would have been enough of a reason to 'give a shit'. Though I do agree with you that it would be best if this wasn't just the US acting.

        •  And again (6+ / 0-)

          that is not "sweeping it under the rug". God, the weasel-isms from that one are monumentally tedious.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 03:56:16 PM PDT

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          •  You'd think that given the (4+ / 0-)

            sweeping under the rug of the misdeeds of the NSA some folks would be less blase about using the term.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 04:23:43 PM PDT

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            •  No shit. I read this and my Irony Meter broke: (0+ / 0-)
              Personally speaking I'm past 'annoyed' at people so willing to sweep the use of chemical weapons oh, a certain massive govt surveillance program under the rug as if it is nothing really important.

              The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

              by JVolvo on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 05:21:44 AM PDT

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      •  dead is not dead (1+ / 0-)
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        A slow painful death is much worse than a quick painless one.

        Praxis: Bold as Love

        by VelvetElvis on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:48:14 PM PDT

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