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  •  Examples of CT: (11+ / 0-)

    --insisting the Assad regime would never use chemical weapons on Syrians, and attributing such attacks to the opposition killing its own in order to draw the US into intervention.
    --disregarding the very obvious signs over the last several months that Obama dreads intervening and does so now only because he has been boxed in by his own sloppy rhetoric.
    --disregarding the fact that so far the Obama administration has found ways to ignore Israeli/PNAC/Republican calls to make airstrikes on Iran.

    Obama, the old PNAC crowd, McCain, etc. are not singing from the same sheet music, at least not yet.

    But like angry marmot, I oppose US intervention. It would accomplish nothing and carries some risk of backfiring.

     

    •  Could you elaborate as to who 'its own' are and (4+ / 0-)
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      why you think they are 'its own'?

      ... to the opposition killing its own...

      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:06:32 PM PDT

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      •  "Its own"-- Sunni Syrian civilians in (0+ / 0-)

        its own neighborhoods. Those dead children are certainly not of the Alewite ruling class.

        (Google "Maher al-Assad" and you'll see why I consider it more likely that he launched this latest chem weapon strike)

        On Obama's sloppy rhetoric: indeed, Obama is usually very careful in the way he qualifies his statements. It's one of his most distinguishing and admirable characteristics. (Of course it doesn't prevent him from sometimes being misrepresented by ignorami and literalists in the media or by dishonest Republicans.) But this time Obama clearly made a mistake in declaring use of chemical weapons the crossing of "a red line" requiring a tougher US response. It ignored context and restricted his freedom of response. Perhaps he felt pressured to make such a statement because of all the noise Republicans were making over "Benghazi" at the time.

        •  You seem to be under the impression that (1+ / 0-)
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          the 'opposition' in these areas east of Damascus are local people who are fighting for their freedom who wouldn't possibly harm their neighbors or are just Sunni Syrians form other areas who are fighting for their freedom and who wouldn't possibly harm other Sunni Syrians.

          Some of them may be, but the 'opposition' in control in these areas are al-Nusrah, a very radical Islamic group who have a long record of killing civilians in the areas under their control whenever the like for whatever reason they like.

          It doesn't matter if the civilains are Sunni, Shia, Alawite, Christian, Druze, Arab, or Kurdish.

          And I don't need to do a search for Maher al-Assad. I already know very well who and what he is.

          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 05:29:23 AM PDT

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          •  While we argue back and forth over (1+ / 0-)
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            who is more likely to have ordered the use of chem weapons against civilians, are we losing sight of the fact that a US air strike is unlikely to deter further use of chem weapons by either side?

            I remain opposed to the US taking sides in what is becoming a Sunni/Shiite-Alewite Civil War.

            •  I am not discussing who is more likely to (1+ / 0-)
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              have carried out the chemical weapons attack.

              I am trying to draw people's attention to the fact that a false positive image can be created for rebel groups such as al-Nusrah by senences such as these

              ... attributing such attacks to the opposition killing its own ...

              Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

              by InAntalya on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 07:12:52 AM PDT

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              •  I have no interest in offering (1+ / 0-)
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                apologies for al-Nusrah or other groups. I just consider it much more likely that Maher al-Assad ordered the sarin attacks, given the resources he commands and his past record of atrocities.

                •  Maher al-Assad is a possibility, one of a few that (1+ / 0-)
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                  I think are plausible, to varying degress. And these do not include scenarios like the 'a secret US operation launched from Jordan' or 'Israel did it' scenarios I have seen put forward by a few.

                  Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                  by InAntalya on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 08:23:17 AM PDT

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    •  Obama? Sloppy rhetoric? Rarely happens. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:20:34 PM PDT

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