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  •  typo, that should read: (3+ / 0-)
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    some here do seem to have liberalism confused
    with libertarianism

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:39:20 PM PDT

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    •  This is a tired charge (4+ / 0-)

      And it grows more and more so.

      Just call people paulites and be done with it so we all know exactly what you're doing rhetorically.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 05:54:05 PM PDT

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      •  anarchism isn't liberalism (1+ / 0-)
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        and many can't see the fundamental difference of each from paulistic libertarianism.

        But I don't think that you will deny that anarchism is fundamentally localist.

        47 is the new 51!

        by nickrud on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 06:14:26 PM PDT

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        •  It depends very much on the anarchism (4+ / 0-)
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          Internationalism is also a very strong trend in anarchism. The Spanish civil war being the best example. Anarchists from around the world went to go fight the fascists there.

          But no, anarchism is definitely not liberalism, and neither is libertarianism.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:08:51 PM PDT

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          •  except US libertarians are Ano-caps (3+ / 0-)
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            You'll find no sympathy for Proudhon amongst their midsts.  "Libertarianism" used to be much closer to Anarchism than it is to the minarchists who now go by that name in the US.

            Praxis: Bold as Love

            by VelvetElvis on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:13:06 PM PDT

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            •  Ugh, ancaps aren't even really anarchists (5+ / 0-)
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              The whole idea that you can have private property without a government is patently absurd. And you are completely correct about the term libertarian. In fact in the 50s or 60s the right wing libertarians were bragging about how they appropriated the term from the left. They're trying to do the same thing with anarchism now, and democrats are helping with their constant references to the tea party as being anarchists. Anarchists and anarchist methods of organizing have become the most visible resistance to neo-liberalism and as such the attempted recuperation is well under way.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:21:35 PM PDT

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        •  Anarchism is quite capable of global (0+ / 0-)

          organization.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 01:27:58 PM PDT

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