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  •  If that's what they want... (4+ / 0-)

    I mean, they voted for the politicians, they approved the ballot initiative...

    As I keep saying, the politicians are the symptom.  The constituents are the disease...

    •  Maybe the corporatists/plutocrats are the disease, (6+ / 0-)

      and the constituents are the side effects.

      The right of the women of this State to be secure in their persons against unreasonable searches shall not be violated by the State legislature.

      by Mayfly on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 02:39:12 PM PDT

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    •  It's all a collassal waste of time and money. It (7+ / 0-)

      will all get thrown out by the courts.  States simply cannot make laws that allow them to ignore federal laws.  If they could, I'm going to go out on a limb and say there just might be a couple few states that would have passed laws by now to be able to ignore the federal abortion legalization laws.  Just a hunch.

      •  Are you sure? (0+ / 0-)

        What about amnesty cities (attempted to override federal immigration law) and marijuana legalization?

        •  Indeed up until 3 days ago the DOJ was busting (1+ / 0-)
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          people left and right for marijuana respite their states various levels of "legalization".

        •  An RKBA diary yesterday ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... tried to make the same case - that if the DOJ agreed to let Washington & Colorado set up a system under which marijuana could be grown and sold legally, why couldn't they also allow states wishing to ignore federal gun laws to do so as long as the guns in question are manufactured, sold and used in that state?

          The problem, as a commenter pointed out, is that the pot legalization initiatives passed in Washington & Colorado didn't declare citizens of those states immune from federal laws, and didn't threaten federal officials trying to enforce federal laws with arrest or civil lawsuits.

          If Missouri wants to turn itself into a post-apocalyptic hellscape, and the voters and legislature there can persuade the federal government that post-apocalyptic hellscapism is a dandy enough idea that and the DOJ gives them a pass on an Ominibus Post-Apocalyptic Hellscape Implementation Act, fine & dandy - let's barricade all the federal highways, interstates and rail lines passing through Missouri, close all airports within the state, give financial assistance to citizens wishing to leave Missouri and wingnuts wishing to move there, relieve them of the burden of paying federal taxes (the least we can do, since we would also cut off all federal funds to the state), and build a big wall with heavily-armed border checkpoints around the entire state. Then wait for the inevitable collapse, sweep up the few remaining wingnut zombie hordes, restore the smouldering landscape, rebuild the crumbling infrastructure, repopulate the state with sane, civilized people, and thus re-establish a civilized, sane state government there. It might take a couple of years, but what a stimulus project rebuilding the "Show Me State" would be!

          I vote we run Rick Scott out of Florida on a high-speed rail.

          by ObamOcala on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 06:33:30 AM PDT

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        •  As ObamOcala correctly states (1+ / 0-)
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          there is a whopping big difference between eliminating state & local laws making a behavior a crime along with new regulations governing the sale and use of previously banned substances and declaring federal laws banning those substances null and void and making someone executing those laws a state criminal.

          Bottom line, these people are living in a parallel, and profoundly warped, mental universe.

          Aliens as my #2 son frequently says...

          Democracy is a contact sport...

          by jsmagid on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 01:42:49 PM PDT

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    •  need to defend rights everywhere (0+ / 0-)

      This is why I am not terrible concerned about the SCOTUS ending the preapproval thing.  I mean look who how it took the feds to get their act together and begin to defending the non-white population in Ohio.  If Missouri decided to disenfranchise or several reduce the rights of non-white people in the state, would the feds be able to quickly and effectively defend the 20% of the population, or has the fed become so lazy with just looking over paperwork that they wouldn't be able to defend anyone.  I mean we have all these unconstitutional laws that were put in place to attack minority population and poor people in white states and people ignore them. I mean Houston made Daily Kos when it restricted the feeding of homeless people, but Seattle has effectively the same law.

    •  Oh come on! (1+ / 0-)
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      I live in Missouri. Many many thousands of us are NOT so stupid and self-sabotaging. But with Neanderthals in charge of our state legislature, there is only so much we can do. Obama as prez. brought the racists out in force, and ignorant people are easily manipulated. Thanks for dismissing all the rest of us - the almost-majority in this split state that WANTS tough gun laws and good health care.

    •  The whole ballot initiative was misleading... (0+ / 0-)

      They convinced people in Missouri that Obamacare would be government controlled and rationed health care.  The radio/TV commercials and misleading 'informational' crap they put out about the ACA turned people out in droves to vote to stop Obamacare.   The Republicans in this state have big $ backing with defense contractors, big agriculture, Coal and dirty energy, and lots of 'good ole boys'.  The media here has helped the disinformation campaign.   Many living in the 'buckle of the Bible belt' believe whatever they are told like good 'sheeple'.   Maybe it's too much exposure to Round-up, feeding us GMO foods like guinea pigs, spraying us with radiation to study the effects, or any of the other stupid things the government and corporations do to us.  

    •  The disease (0+ / 0-)

      you are right but do you think it might have something to do with cutting education to the point these people can't think in their best interest?

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