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  •  Except people don't understand what the levels (3+ / 0-)
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    actually mean.  That's part of the problem.

    Looking at your source, none of the fish was found to have greater than the limits the Korean government considers "safe."  These are levels set by governments far below the point where there is actual danger to provide a sufficient buffer between the limit and where people are in fact being placed in danger.  It takes a large amount of radiation all at once to cause radiation sickness.  People on the west coast who flipped out and began taking iodine tablets like mad have given themselves a greater dose than they would have received from contamination leaking from Fukishima.

    "There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow

    by kirrix on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 07:37:03 PM PDT

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    •  Good grief... (1+ / 0-)
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      It takes a large amount of radiation all at once to cause radiation sickness.
      Yes.  You're right.  It takes a large amount of radiation ALL AT ONCE to cause RADIATION SICKNESS.  Can you see how that might not be the only or even the major concern?

      Prolonged exposure (not all at once) to elevated levels of radiation, but still lower levels of radiation than can cause radiation seickness, increases the chances of cancer and other mutagenic diseases.  Also, radioactive metals, once they get into the food chain, begin to concentrate in livers, with the carnivorous animals higher up the food chain getting the highest concentrations.  This is a problem that can intensify over the medium term, just as we've seen in the past with mercury poisoning in fish, which is still a big problem.  That's why pregnant women are advised to eat tuna and other seafood in moderation.  The FDA suggests that women eat no more than 12 ounces of low mercury fish a week, and not eat ANY high-mercury fish (like swordfish or shark).

      I think maybe the diarist has a point.  The picture was misleading.  By readdressing Fukushima as a danger, I don't want to suggest that I endorse the sloppy thinking of the image.  But, Fukushima really is a disaster affecting us all.  You don't have to get acute radiation poisoning to be affected adversely.

      •  Increased incidence of cancer is by far the (2+ / 0-)
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        largest of the risks (mutagenic diseases and radiation sickness are of limited concern with the amount being released, as exemplified by the fact that the fish have lower than dangerous levels of contamination in their systems).  But from the amount of contamination being released, their are two things that will far more greatly decrease a person's chance of getting cancer: stop smoking and stop flying.  Those two acts represent the greatest sources of cancer in the modern world.  In a single airline flight I receive more radiation than I probably will from a nuclear reactor for my entire career in the Navy.

        "There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow

        by kirrix on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:33:25 PM PDT

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    •  I just heard some anti-nuke spokesman... (0+ / 0-)

      ...on today's episode of Counterspin not only call Fukushima "apocalyptic" moments before confessing he doesn't actually know the scope of the damage, and then straight up lying with the claim that we "can't eat fish out of the Pacific ocean any more." To quote VP Biden, what a bunch of fucking malarkey. They're basically trying to make nuclear energy look as bad as coal, which is an absolute lie. Look, I know nuclear power is not our most viable option for long-term sustainability, but this needless ratcheting up of people's fears is ridiculous. Until we have more concrete information, everything is speculative.

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