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  •  The point I would make with.. (0+ / 0-)

    ... regard to the first diary is that the article that prompted it was written in 2006 about activities which occurred in 2003 and 2004.  The NSA at that time was operating under 1) a different and paranoid administration, and 2) under a completely different set of laws and oversight.  Insisting that the same thing that Bush allowed 10 years ago is simply standard operating procedure in the Obama administration doesn't work for me, especially in light of the documents released by Snowden which detailed the lengths that the NSA goes to so as to avoid targeting US citizens.  No, it's not perfect - but hopefully what comes out of it will enhance our security and our rights.

    As for surveillance, we will differ in our opinions.  I honestly disagree with your statement in the second diary "that any device that records activity inhibits human development".  I have owned countless devices that track my activity and each one of those devices has allowed me to develop more knowledge and awareness as the technologies have improved - I'll bet your experience is the same.  As new technologies emerge, the companies that sell them are going to track activity.  Not because the government tells them to, it's because their marketing department tells them to, so more can be sold.  Because the tracking information is going to be sent back to the manufacturer via the internet, the government is going to have the data (along with anyone who "sniffs" internet data).  Eventually the government is going to know that I like my chicken broiled instead of baked (and now they do), it's not a BFD.  As more inputs are added to any system, the ability to weed out false positives is enhanced - that is the goal of any system.  Thus it would be less likely that a government organization is going to waste their time tracking a Quaker anti-war group carrying balloons on the mall in Washington.

    Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

    by Hey338Too on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 03:52:54 PM PDT

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    •  That's not my opinion (0+ / 0-)

      The quote "that any device that records activity inhibits human development" is not my opinion. It's from a law review article co-authored by one of our nation's most famous Supreme Court Justices, Louis Brandeis. I think he would say that a camera helps an actor to improve his performance. It develops the persona rather than the person.

      Has the NSA really changed between Obama and Bush? Once an organization has become corrupt, purification takes a very long time. With people like Keith Alexander and James Clapper, men who lie without conscience, at the helm, that process cannot really begin. And when whistleblowers are treated as abominably as they have been during this Administration, well, I think the opposite is likely to occur. Obama may have made it legal in the sense of making the laws conform to what the NSA is doing, but NSA operations are not lawful in the sense of obeying the spirit of our fundamental law, the Constitution.

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