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  •  Promoting war (4+ / 0-)

    is not a good thing for a diary.  Especially when there is potential illegal attack that will ignore the UN, world opinion, NATO and even our UK allies.

    •  Promoting my opinion, not war (7+ / 0-)

      I don't want to see military action as much as the next person, but there has to be a realization that there are times when it is called for.

      When done in a careful, calculated way, it can work and there is history to prove it. (Gulf War, Serbia,...)

    •  Its not that 'the wurld' doesnt want action taken (1+ / 0-)
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      Its that they either dont want to do it themselves or dont have the military capability.
      "Even our UK allies" - you mean the grandstanding chickenshits in Parliament I presume, not the PM.

    •  Blue Wind - it is perfectly acceptable to state (4+ / 0-)
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      the case for an air attack in Syria. There is no way that point of view should be off limits here at DKOS.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 05:47:45 AM PDT

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    •  Nobody here is promoting war. (1+ / 0-)
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      Just in case you hadn't noticed, there already is a very brutal war going on in Syria that entails the use of chemical weapons.

      Quit being so damned hyper-partisan, please.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 06:13:43 AM PDT

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      •  Of course they're promoting war. (0+ / 0-)

        War is the word we use for dropping bombs on people from airplanes or launching missiles at them from ships.

        The diarist is entirely within his or her rights to do so; perhaps in the fullness of time we'll reach consensus that American intervention in the Syrian civil war was the right thing to do...

        as our intervention in Rwanda to stop the genocide absolutely and profoundly would have been right.

        Perhaps; although I think it's far more likely that Americans--maybe with the best intentions in the world, maybe not--will once again run afoul of the law of unintended consequences. But it is what it is, and advocating American military action in Syria is precisely "promoting war."

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 07:33:33 AM PDT

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        •  Sorry, I disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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          People who want to see a military strike that is designed to somehow stop the use of CW are not "promoting war".

          Saying that is character-assassination and is similarly asinine to saying that people who are against a strike to prevent the further use of chemical weapons are "promoting the use of chemical weapons".

          It serves no constructive purpose whatsoever to say something like that.

          I am against a military strike at this time, for varied reasons, but I'd never accuse a fellow Kossack of "promoting war" because they want to see an action that has the potential to stop further use of chemical weapons.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 07:44:19 AM PDT

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          •  If your objection is that the connotations of (0+ / 0-)

            "promote" are unfairly harsh, I withdraw it. I've avoided terms like "pro-war" for just that reason, and I suppose they share the same root.

            So I concede that point.

            I won't concede the larger point however, that any American military action--in Syria or anywhere else--constitutes war. Dropping bombs on people is war, and I won't accept its sanitization via euphemism.

            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

            by PhilJD on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 08:51:17 AM PDT

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          •  I too oppose... (1+ / 0-)
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            the US entering into another conflict with a Middle Eastern country.  That a limited attack would somehow deter Assad will likely not be the case.  The possible outcome could include Assad launching an attack on Israel which, in turn, will bring a full scale military response by Israel and it will be downhill from there.
            However, DKos is a place to debate among reasonable people - character assassination is not reasonable.

            "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. Isaac Asimov [-8.25 / -5.64]

            by carver on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:01:39 AM PDT

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