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  •  actually...it's not spin at all... (0+ / 0-)

    ...engaging in a selective military action for a short duration to achieve a particular objective is not necessarily a war at all. A war is a sustained, ongoing effort to defeat another country. As we did in Bosnia back in the 1990's. It was not a war, but was one of the most successful, surgical miltitary strikes ever.

    To call every military strike a war...is simply inaccurate.

    In addition, we  don't even know exactly what the U.S. is planning to do yet.

    •  ... to defeat another country (0+ / 0-)

      The vast majority of the time we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan was not war, by that standard. Someone should tell the soldiers they weren't in a war. They might be surprised.

      We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

      by dconrad on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 02:17:17 PM PDT

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      •  the U.S. invasion of Iraq (0+ / 0-)

        is hard to describe as anything but a war. It was a deliberate invasion of another country designed to topple the government and install people of our own liking. That is war. That's far different than using limited, surgical, military strikes to achieve specific objectives.

        Our efforts to invade and topple the governmetn in Afghanistan was also most defnitely a war. The U.S. invaded that country with the purpose of defeating them.

    •  "To call every military strike a war... (1+ / 0-)
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      ..is simply inaccurate."

      Tell that to the guy who gets that missile in his lap. If he could, he'd slap you in the face for playing semantics with human lives.

      I take it you don't think hellfire-firing drones is not war either?

      Please tell me where is the magical, subjective line when something becomes "war" in your view?

      I'm just Double Tapped the hell out.

      by pajoly on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 02:42:17 PM PDT

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      •  not every drone strike constitutes a war (0+ / 0-)

        in and of itself and not every military engagement is an act of war in and of itself, either.

        By your definition, what the U.S. did in Libya constituted a war since there were casualties. To me, what we did there was not a war, per se, though it did involve very limited military engagement and casualties. (Nobody else has characterized what we did in Libya as a war, either, to the best of my knowledge.)

        By your definition, what the U.S. did in Bosnia in the late 1990's was a war as well, because it involved military actions that resulted in casualties (to try to stop the genocide there; and...it worked).  Nobody's described that as a war, either.

        To me a war involves one country trying to conquer another using military force. (Or, in the case of a civil war, one political faction trying to conquer another using military force.) Using short-term, limited military strikes to achieve limited objectives to help prevent future civilian casualties does not constitute war. It's not even something anyone would want to do, if it could be avoided, of course.

        My personal preference would be to never have to use any military action ever, especially any military action that results in any deaths. Am with you on that one. That would be my preference. However...there are times where it seems that that is the

        •  Yeah? (0+ / 0-)

          Libya was a war. So was Bosnia. What's your obsession with some arbitrary time standard for defining "war." The Israelis had a 6 day war (they even call it that).

          Your definition is nonsensical because it is entirely subjective based on your side, as you admit "to me war is..." We don't get to invent our own definitions of words.
          Distilled to its most basic meaning, war is simply armed conflict. Scale, duration, intensity or intent do not factor in to the definition.

          I'm just Double Tapped the hell out.

          by pajoly on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 05:20:43 PM PDT

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          •  Apparently, people do use the term (0+ / 0-)

            differently.

            You are the only one known by me to refer to our actions in Libya as a war, for instance. You are the only known by me to refer to our actions in Bosnia as a war. Don't recall any news media outlets ever referring to them, as such, either.

            So, apparently, there is a broadly accepted definition for war. Surgical airstrikes do not usually fall under that category, by most people's definition.

            (P.S. Israel's conducted military airstrikes against other countries that were not called wars...such as their strike against one of Iraq's nuclear facilities. Nobody's ever referred to that as Israel's war on Iraq.)

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