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  •  I've provided links in the past (3+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, xndem, Matt Z

    but people who want to believe in Greenwald will believe in him no matter what. So one quickly realizes there is no point in providing proof.

    Believing in Greenwald is like a religious faith. The more proof one provides of his factual mistakes, the more his believers believe in him and discount the truth.

    If you want somewhere to start and to fact check him yourself, you can start at the beginning of the Obama administration.

    At that time, a middle eastern businessman was arrested in Afghanistan for fraud. It wasn't even a political crime -- just greed and fraud. He was brought to the federal district court in New York, provided free legal counsel and he plea bargained to a crime.

    Greenwald said this was an example of extraordinary rendition -- which during Bush, extraordinary rendition was the transport of people without trial for torture in third world prisons or CIA black sites. Greenwald said this showed that Obama was actually worse than Bush.

    I listened to this on Democracy Now and was like, WTF? The arrest and transport of a defendant to an Article III  federal district court is in this guy's view the same as extraordinary rendition???

    You can just review his articles yourself and fact check them. He's wrong at least twice a day -- and he has to know it, it's so egregious. That's why I don't think he's just sloppy -- he's a pathological liar.

    •  The US can just go and arrest anyone abroad (5+ / 0-)

      and render them back to the US without the cooperation of local authorities? Since when? This is the legal definition of extraordinary rendition:

      Extraordinary rendition or irregular rendition is the apprehension and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one country to another.
      If you want to base your arguments on ad hom attacks on people, go right ahead, but you will receive the respect and responses you deserve.
    •  Think whatever you want to think (3+ / 0-)
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      DeadHead, Little, lotlizard

      I read Greenwald critically, just like I read everyone else. I do not always agree with him.

      I mean, once again, you've provided a comment critiquing Greenwald's reporting, without any links. I'm not demanding links. I'm just saying, anti-Greenwald commentary rarely features links to debunked stories. So his critics are, for the most part, pretty unconvincing.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 06:13:09 PM PDT

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