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  •  Your question is worth considering (2+ / 0-)
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    delver rootnose, annieli

    I don't think that it is our intent to topple him, we want to make him stop using gas. We want to make it clear that chemical weapons cannot be the norm.

    But, what will happen when Assad does fall? He can't live forever and this internal war could easily be the thing that finishes him off. If he survives it he and anyone who follows him has to know that the era of tyrants is coming to an end.

    We have to get him or whoever follows him to sign on to the treaty and destroy those weapons, IMO.

    "Humidity built the snowman. Sunshine brought him down" John Prine

    by high uintas on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:24:53 PM PDT

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    •  The aim SHOULD be to topple him, and his party (0+ / 0-)

      We just can't make that a declared aim because it's illegal. So we come up with this cover story about red lines and punishment. Any strategy that doesn't seek to topple him and the Ba'ath party, or make them so weak that they'll fall on their own, is pointless. They ARE the problem.

      •  No doubt they are the problem (1+ / 0-)
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        delver rootnose

        but gawd knows we can't just take him out, wipe off our hands and walk away hoping for the best. We wouldn't do that IMO and that would lead to a prolonged and unsatisfying involvement. We can't afford it.

        "Humidity built the snowman. Sunshine brought him down" John Prine

        by high uintas on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:35:23 PM PDT

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      •  Next Problem (0+ / 0-)

        Syria under a Qaeda dictatorship, with the industry or sales connections to buy more gas weapons. That's what follows an Assad toppled by the US. That's an even worse problem, especially for the US.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:41:14 PM PDT

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      •  you do realize that the roots of Ba'athism (0+ / 0-)

        are socialist, not capitalist?  Arab Socialist?  As in anti Imperialist, in reaction to European interests exploiting ME oil resources?

        Formed 65 years ago, or so,  and of course,  gone through the usual permutations and perturbations of idealist movements,  Ba'athists held the outrageous view that perhaps those natural resources ("our oil"--

        ought to be exploited for the benefit of  "the People" rather than for the benefit of the Oligarchs.

        Just a little perspective, fwiw.

        don't always believe what you think

        by claude on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 09:09:10 AM PDT

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