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  •  Real Change (3+ / 0-)
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    Bush went into Iraq alone too.

    So what you want is more of the same, "Real Change"?

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:37:12 PM PDT

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    •  I keep getting the feeling... (0+ / 0-)

      ...Obama is just following the Bush template as another attempt at Bi-partisanship.

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:49:40 PM PDT

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    •  Not exactly. (0+ / 0-)

      He didn't have the coalition his father had, but he wasn't alone.
      And ... he had more legal backing in terms of UN resolutions and the fact that the agreements reached after Desert Storm were breached when he began taking pot shots at no fly zone enforcement.

      Bottom line:

      Bush went into Iraq on much more solid footing than Obama presently has for a strike against Syria.

      Think about that and tell me with a straight face that attacking Syria makes sense.

      If that still doesn't have you at least questioning the wisdom of a unilateral "strike", consider this: France thinks a strike makes sense.  France, the same country that so happily traded lives for money as it helped Saddam Hussein bypass UN sanctions against Iraqi oil exports -- not to mention looking the other way as he starved half a million shi'ite children who were the intended beneficiaries of legitimate oil exports under the UN protocol.

      That's the kind of moral authority at play here.

       

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      by dinotrac on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 03:14:45 AM PDT

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      •  Are You Talking To Me? (0+ / 0-)

        You are making my argument, because we agree.

        Bush Jr's "coalition" was such a joke that it wasn't much different from "alone". Obama evidently didn't even ask Germany, and is "partnering" with only France, whose pipelines interest in Syria makes the whole operation an obvious oil industry operation.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 09:09:35 AM PDT

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        •  I am making your argument. (0+ / 0-)

          Bush's coalition wasn't quite a joke. He did have Great Britain, and there's not good reason to demean the other nations that took part.  All told, 4 countries took part in the initial assault and 3 dozen more took part in the "after party".

          But  ... yes.  Given the world's judgment on Iraq, you'd think Obama would try to meet or exceed that standard.

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          by dinotrac on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 09:55:34 AM PDT

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