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  •  Been the general idea for the last 2 years. (0+ / 0-)
    So, I suppose if Assad has just dropped lots of bombs or artillery on that suburban neighborhood, we wouldn't be discussing the possibility of attaching Syria.

    Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

    by franklyn on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 09:58:47 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, so why all of a sudden is it time to bomb? (4+ / 0-)

      It's not really about protecting the civilians. Many more have been killed through conventional means.

      This is just about the "red line" commitment and saving face.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 10:09:25 PM PDT

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      •  To be honest it is about more than a comment (3+ / 0-)
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        The problem is that Syria has a hell of a lot of chemical weapons, and if they are starting to let them out this is a problem.

        I am against bombing Syria, I'm not saying that there is no problem.   Hell if I know what the solution would be.  I'm pretty sure it involves cooperating with Russia though, rather than petty fights at the U.N.

      •  Because with guns you can kill just so many (1+ / 0-)
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        at any given moment, and they must be targeted individually.
        Ahh, but with gas, just imagine. You may have, "collateral damage," but you kill the ones you wanted to.
        "Fuck a bunch of collateral damage!"
        Any indiscriminate death, even in war, must be resisted. It's either that or the complete surrender of human morality to the abyss

        Betchu REALLY wanna vote, now.

        by franklyn on Fri Aug 30, 2013 at 10:30:10 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not sure it's all about saving face, but.. (1+ / 0-)
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        CenPhx

        ..there seems to be a neo-con like emphasis on protecting the "rules of war" over saving lives.

        And I too commented and questioned the difference between dying from conventional weaponry (cluster bomb for instance) vs Chemical weapons

        But I'm still having a hard time making as clear a distinction between killing with poison and killing with bombs though - me
        Either way my choice would be focusing on setting up aid camps with Turkey or Jordan for shelter, medical aid, food lodging for the wounded refugees and miplaced prople.
         A safe zone.

         That seems like step number one to me. And for the hard liner politics of it, aid could go a long way to rebuilding some trust; also might help make peace happen too - a little bit ?

      •  The "redline" creation was not too wise (0+ / 0-)

        I wonder who came up with this. I am tempted to think it was done to make it easier to create a defined pretext to militarily attack Syria.

        Once the line is established, it should not be difficult to create an incident of it being crossed in a situation as chaotic as the one in Syria.

        Absence of convincing proof makes fools of those trying to use this event as a pretext to launch hundreds of Tomahawk missiles, (at $1.5 million each) at Syria in order to "teach them a lesson".

        If this is the kind of advice the president is receiving from his closest advisers then perhaps he should consider looking at replacing some of them.

        Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

        by truong son traveler on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 01:02:59 AM PDT

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