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  •  Create tension? (5+ / 0-)

    Maybe. It may also remind people of the terrible mistakes that have been made in the past and of the terrible consequences of those mistakes.  And, therefore, how important it is to get it right.

    Because an act of war can lead to more acts of war and more war and etc.

    This diary is useful as a piece of that argument and as a reminder.

    •  Here's where I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      se portland

      Let's say you have someone who doesn't understand the issue you present.  Let's say they are more likely to support war than not.  

      A fallacious argument like this only gives that person something to argue about that is not the issue.  

      The idea that someone should change their opinion based on who holds that opinion is immature, at best.  I wouldn't support a politician who makes decisions that way.  


      by otto on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 09:18:19 AM PDT

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      •  I agree that (2+ / 0-)
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        Laconic Lib, tikkun

        the diary does not present a serious argument.  But I do believe that it is a useful resource.

        Similar to The March to War.

        •  It seems counterproductive (1+ / 0-)
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          The general overtone of diaries like this, if we consider it an attempt to sway an opinion, is one that seeks to shame the reader who doesn't already agree.  At the same time, it seeks to impart a sort of higher moral understanding on the part of the person who agrees.  

          The idea is to attempt to shame the reader into agreeing.  The way this is done is to paint anyone who does not align precisely with the author's opinion as being the same as those neocons.  

          I met this guy one time.  He happened to know that we were vegetarians.  He had an opinion about vegetarians.  He didn't like them.  He was not a real stable guy.  

          He told me, "YOu know who else was a vegetarian?  Hitler"


          by otto on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 10:07:04 AM PDT

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          •  It Seems Counterproductive to You (3+ / 0-)
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            Actually, pointing out that many of the same cockroaches who took us into Iraq are coming out of the cracks to gin up eager support for this war, is very useful.  It is very useful to remind ourselves of their ultimate aims.  I would just suggest a link to the articles and white paper's they've written so people have actual ammunition to hurl when the press drags them out to make "interesting" points.

            Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

            by tikkun on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:14:16 AM PDT

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          •  You can tell a man who boozes (0+ / 0-)

            by the company he chooses
            And the pig got up and slowly walked away.

            Sometimes guilt by association is valid.

            "Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will."—Frederick Douglass

            by costello7 on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:46:20 AM PDT

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      •  Neocon approval is practical evidence of evil (5+ / 0-)

        If a gang of robbers has been taking down bank after bank, do you grab a gun and take a ride with them in a fast car? Do you lend them money?

        Is there a compelling reason to trust this President when he is cheered on by known war criminals, when his goals match theirs, when his rhetoric echoes theirs?

        "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." President Barack Obama

        by quagmiremonkey on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 10:18:14 AM PDT

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        •  LIke I said (2+ / 0-)
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          se portland, sviscusi

          If you want to vote for people who make their policy decisions based on who else agrees with them, then do so.  

          I'd say that's a horrible way to make decisions about your policy positions, but you are more than welcome to focus on the "who" instead of the "what."

          It's an adhom argument, and it has no intenention of doing anything other than patting people on the back who agree, and shaming those who disagree.  

          Like I said, it's cute.  It's just not real useful.


          by otto on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 10:46:25 AM PDT

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          •  Useful as trusting the President, for what reason? (3+ / 0-)
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            costello7, Johnny Q, aliasalias

            What outweighs the stink of the war criminals on this project?

            What has the President done that demonstrates that he can be trusted to be open with us about security issues, that brings faith that his judgements, when it comes to killing, are aligned with non-conservative values?

            "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." President Barack Obama

            by quagmiremonkey on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:09:48 AM PDT

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