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  •  said 'odd' not scared... (7+ / 0-)

    if you read the diary...you saw that he stockpiled weapons at his store...and it's not like these nuts haven't shot up malls...take your pick...the Gabby shooting was at a strip mall...and the movie theater shooting...you know...you signed up here just a few days after...was the theater at a mall..??

    yet...I'm not afraid to go to the mall...even unarmed...what about you..??..boss.

    We are not broke, we are being robbed...but we can fight back...#KosKatalogue

    by Glen The Plumber on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:17:17 PM PDT

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    •  In the context of the conversation it is clear (0+ / 0-)

      what was meant by 'odd'.

      "I'm not afraid to go to the mall"
      Not only am I not afraid to go to the mall, but I am also unwilling to infringe on the liberties of the innocent for your irrational fears.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 02:13:02 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, Mr. Glen the Plumber, can't you understand (7+ / 0-)

      that some are so afraid of even the mention of their idols that they need to be armed to the teeth even to sit at their keyboards?

      “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it … we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      by DefendOurConstitution on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 04:49:05 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not armed to the teeth. (1+ / 0-)
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        Nor am I so scared of going to the mall or of life in the USA, that I insist on taking liberties from innocent Americans.

        Good luck ridding the nation of a Right in the Bill of Rights.
        Do whatever you can to finally feel safe.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 10:25:34 AM PDT

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      •  Why do you supposed liberals keep trying to (3+ / 0-)

        do away with the entire Bill of Rights?  Can't you understand that any mention of our idols is equal to oppressing minorities or doing away with all civil liberties?

        /snark

        “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it … we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

        by DefendOurConstitution on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 11:48:04 AM PDT

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        •  Actually,'Repealing' a Right in the Bill of Rights (1+ / 0-)
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          is equal to.........ya know.......'repealing a right'.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 01:32:39 PM PDT

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        •  not just any civil right...the most sacred... (4+ / 0-)

          ever...without which no other civil right could exist...no other democracy in the history of the world has existed without a second amendment...amiright..??

          We are not broke, we are being robbed...but we can fight back...#KosKatalogue

          by Glen The Plumber on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 02:45:07 PM PDT

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          •  No. You aren't. (1+ / 0-)
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            But it is a civil right.
            "civil rights pl.n. The rights belonging to an individual by virtue of citizenship"

            No other democracy in the history of the world has a Bill of Rights akin to our own.
            Few (arguably none) has anything similar to the First Amendment.
            I am fine with that.
            Of course, I assume that you are all for "repealing or amending the first amendment".
            Hate to see you be inconsistent.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 08:04:30 PM PDT

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            •  Comments like these make me wonder (3+ / 0-)
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              If anonymity on the internet is such a good thing.  I don't think a person would post a thing like this if it could be ascribed to them personally.  What on earth does the right to free speech and religion have to do with a white supremacist illegally hoarding firearms?   If the second amendment protects this guy's arsenal,  what social advantage does it afford us?

              "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

              by TheFern on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 08:17:19 PM PDT

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              •  Comments like yours make me wonder (1+ / 0-)
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                If your obtuseness is intentional or accidental.

                The comment I responded to (and the four comments before that) has to do with the Second Amendment.
                Hence--as any reasonable person would conclude--I was comparing the Constitutional Right of Speech & the Constitutional Right of religion to the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

                "If the second amendment protects this guy's arsenal..."
                It doesn't. That's why he was arrested.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 11:25:20 PM PDT

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                •  I see. (2+ / 0-)
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                  Just spamming up a diary with irrelevant comments as usual.  I guess it's all anyone should expect from you.  Oh well, enjoy yourself.  He was arrested for selling counterfeit football jerseys btw,  the fact that he was illegally hoarding guns didn't set off any red flags.  We have people with attitudes like yours to thank for that.  

                  "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

                  by TheFern on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 08:39:58 AM PDT

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                  •  Discussing gun laws is irrelevant? (0+ / 0-)

                    "attitudes like yours to thank"
                    Because I am against warrantless searches?
                    Because I believe in innocent until proven guilty?
                    Because I believe in Freedom of Speech?
                    Because I am unwilling to trade in our Rights & Freedoms for your irrational fears?

                    You're damn strait. You do have people with attitudes like mine to thank for it.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 11:06:28 AM PDT

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                  •  The Fern, you miss the "active" component (0+ / 0-)

                    Schmidt was actively selling counterfeit product as Officially Licensed by the National Football League®.
                    His firearm possession was (at the time) a masturbatory fantasy.  Not in the least legal, and as a predicate violent felon, one I'm happy to see off the streets.

                    How Schmidt was discovered:
                    The Leagues, collegiate sports, and perhaps a few other entities require audits of your sales, and a royalty paid per item.  Usually accomplished at the wholesaler, or manufacturer level.
                    As an example, Nike® pays, not Dick's Sports®.

                    There's a legion of people empowered by the Leagues to travel and examine all logo-bearing merchandise.  Some are employees, some are contractors working for a vendor such as Opsec®.  The Opsec® employees will examine those hangtag/adhesive label holographs, to make certain they're genuine Opsec® products.  Other people will check to see if Starter® ever made a licensed product for a given team, or if that was always a product made by a rival firm.
                    Counterfeiters will make mistakes, such-as having a bogus Nike® Hockey Jersey.  That should be Reebok® or CCM® (now the same company).
                    Despite all this, it's consumers who generate the most complaints.

                    The firearms equivalent would be someone counterfeiting a Browning® brand gun, and selling it in their shop as-authentic.

                    In both instances:
                    It's likely a consumer would tip-off the maker, usually over a quality issue, and only then, the gendarmes arrive.

                    After receiving a complaint, the NFL® likely sent a local representative, affiliate, or associated company in to make a purchase, which was then sent to Opsec® and/or the NFL® offices for examination.
                    From that point, another purchase and/or recorded discussion would have been made by undercover LEOs, and the case made.

                    "Hey, these are really reasonably priced.  Can I get one of these with Drew Bledsoe and New England Patriots on it?
                    When can I pick it up?"

                    Then the case is made, and if there's "partners" a conspiracy charge filed, warrants issued for "contents-of, and records, paper and electronic pertaining-to...".

                    There's another option.  
                    We can forget the Fourth Amendment.  
                    It's been sandpapered-away by the USA PATRIOT Act anyway.  
                    If the Dkos group RASA has any hope of achieving a no-guns victory, the Fourth has to go.  
                    Two, Four, too.
                    Then the idea of the cops doing a complete sweep of the Mall, warrantless, at-gunpoint, and completely random can be accomplished unfettered.

                    Think of the public benefit.
                    The cops seal a store off, handcuff all patrons, and employees, search all contents.
                    Music playing - paid for, or ripped-off? Hand-over the iPod.
                    Merchandise from another store- got a receipt?  Emailed to you?  Sure it was.
                    Percocet - is that your name?  Oh, your mother's? You have cramps? How about just getting stoned at work.
                    Is that a naked child on your iPhone?  
                    Bathtime for baby?  Nah, kiddy porn.
                    Who's keys are these, and where's the car parked?
                    Sir, is that your wife holding that lingerie?  
                    Oh, she's helping you pick it out for your wife?  
                    Her ID better read: Pepper Potts, or we're calling the real Missus.

                    GUN!!!  
                    You're all under arrest, under the "common-property clause".

                    Here's long-standing NYS law, which could be applied nationwide:

                    The presence of a firearm in a vehicle is presumptive evidence of its possession by all persons occupying the vehicle except if:

                    the firearm is found upon the person of one of the occupants

                    if the firearm is found in a vehicle operated for hire by a duly licensed driver, then the presumption will not apply to the driver

                    the firearm found is a handgun and one of the occupants has in his possession a valid license to have and carry concealed.

                    If there's no physical evidence as to who touched the gun last, then everyone get's to swing.  
                    Enough incentive, and a less-ethical LEO might wipe the prints, before logging the evidence.  5 gun convictions, in a single day, at a single location, really-really makes a career.
                    The impact on public safety?  Not so much.
                    Don't confuse career advancement with the public interest.
                    The first is quantifiable, the second?  Not so much.

                    In the words of one veteran cop in the Bronx:

                    "You let them shoot, until it stops, then you arrest everybody who's still alive.  Otherwise all of them are back-at-it when they make bail, get out of the hospital, or prison."
                    Stupid me.  I drove "a bus" (Ambulance) into the middle of a gunfight, and no one died.  None of the responding cops got into a French Connection-style foot chase either.  
                    "Go for the low-hanging fruit, it pays the same."

                    The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

                    by 43north on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 06:05:08 AM PDT

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                    •  How about.... (0+ / 0-)

                      Register, license, and insure all firearms and owners.  There, I solved it in one sentence and we can leave actual liberties alone.  The only reason we would have to trample on essential liberties is to protect the "masterbatory fantasies" of gun owners.

                      "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

                      by TheFern on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:04:35 AM PDT

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                      •  That's presumptive of full compliance (0+ / 0-)

                        and no black market.

                        There's laws regarding the obtaining of narcotics, and the requirement of a permission slip - a prescription for legal use.
                        A whole cadre of Federal officers and agencies tasked with preventing illegal drug use and distribution.  How's that working?

                        The Schmidts of the world are already operating off-the-radar, and full firearms registration by his "ilk" is a fantasy.

                        So once again, we're back at Fourth Amendment ground.
                        Do we issue warrants based on "that ilk"?

                        Aryan Nations Skinhead?  Warrant.
                        White Supremacist?  Warrant.
                        White Separatist?  Warrant.
                        White Nationalist?  Warrant.

                        Black Nationalist?
                        Black Separatist?
                        Black Supremacist?
                        Nation of Islam?

                        Oh, that's right... J Edgar Hoover moved against those groups in an extra-judicial fashion, with COINTELPRO.
                        No warrants sought, no warrants needed.

                        The FBI's Treasure of Sierra Madre moment.

                        The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.” ~ Joseph Heller, Catch-22

                        by 43north on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 10:57:01 AM PDT

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                        •  What do ya say we give it a shot? (0+ / 0-)

                          Maybe save some lives.  I know you'll keep coming up with what-if's and what-abouts.  I'm sick of waiting for your "magic bullet" solutions, and this pointless conversation, frankly.

                          "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

                          by TheFern on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 01:28:01 PM PDT

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