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  •  On the other hand... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... if the vote goes as you think, and Assad uses gas again - on whose hands is the blood?  The administration has stated its goal and it's reasoning for making its decision.

    My guess is that the President has plenty of evidence and will make a very strong case for the statements he made today.  If the evidence is disregarded in favor of partisanship, any future use of weapons of this type is going to be directly tied to those that didn't look at the facts and didn't stand with the President.

    Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

    by Hey338Too on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:47:56 AM PDT

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    •  The Rethugs won't see it that way. (1+ / 0-)
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      Those that don't look at facts don't come to intelligent conclusions.

    •  You forget the wording of any Declaration.. (1+ / 0-)
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      can say.. not now. BUT if Assad uses these weapons again, we authorize the President to use his best judgment as to a remedy. This preserves the hammer over Assad. Make him sweat. Make him wake each day and discover.. nothing has happened but it could be today. This is the kind of torture a dictator cannot tolerate. He will make some other mistake, and then. Wham. And it wont even cost us that much when it happens, because half his leadership will have defected already, and we will likely know where he is. There is nothing lost by this.  

      This puts us in the drivers seat for maximum pressure to stop mass atrocities. Thats what we needed. Not to DO anything right this second, but to be ABLE to make him sweat each and every minute until the end of his life. This is the most powerful thing Obama could have done. Excellent. Bravo. Brilliant.

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 12:50:05 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with your assessment... (0+ / 0-)

        ... and was responding to Livosh1's concerns - that the rethugs would not allow any use of force by this President regardless of the evidence.  

        To be honest, the idea of "wait until next time" presents a larger problem than acting based on the current evidence related to the most recent abuse.  Who knows how big the "next time" is going to be?  If it's "small", as has been alleged in previous abuses, do we not act?  If it's huge, how are we not complicit?  That kind of language could allow Assad to skate along the edge of the cliff.

        Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

        by Hey338Too on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 01:51:51 PM PDT

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        •  Sure there are problems with "No, but.." (0+ / 0-)

          But it does have some distinct advantages too. I think in the modern world, Prior Approval of Military Action is still demanded, with some explicit provision for immediate action should it be required. This is a far cry from the "You go ahead Mr. President, and we will call you in 30 days and see if you want to escalate that war you started. We will rubber stamp it because guys have died, and well, you cant go back after that."

          The War Powers Act has Richard Nixon's Machiavellian Slitheriness  and backhanded manipulations all over it. It needs to be abandoned, and soon. Now. Thanks to Obama, we have started the abandonment process.

          Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

          by OregonOak on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 02:05:17 PM PDT

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