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  •  There's a lot of hate here for Red States (31+ / 0-)

    and no help whatsoever for Dems who happen to live in them.

    The Nullification movement, wherever it is being politically expressed, is something that every Democrat -- indeed, every American who believes that the Union and the Constitution are the political bedrock of our Nation -- should be fighting loudly and persistently.  Yet the diarists here who write about it are largely ignored, and the issue itself  is never treated as the truly anti-American  issue that it is.

    •  then why aren't powerful Dems (3+ / 0-)
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      working the ground game locally to promote sane, secular, independent minded citizens keen to serve and not to attain power?

      sorry, but the answer seems clear to me: they allow the rethugs to divide us in our communities so we become too distracted and torn apart to stop things like Iraq or Syria.

      or to understand and hear clear difference between a president who says we have a "right" to "health insurance" (which is what Obama said) or one who says we have a right to health CARE (which he did not say)... and then the lynch pin of the whole damned thing is getting young people to sign up? sorry, but it doesn't seem to smart to me.

      we are way to distracted and it seems to me to be by design.

      “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

      by pfiore8 on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 11:58:07 AM PDT

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      •  It's about who politicians answer to... (3+ / 0-)
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        Outside of their base voters, the GOP and Democrats often answer to the same corporate interests. So the Democrats need the GOP in a sense, when it comes to passing or killing legislation as favored by Corporate America and Big Finance. The stronger their majorities, the more the party needs to engage in villain rotation, and they'd just as soon the GOP play the goons.

    •  Well It's Anti-Constitution. They Want a Return (9+ / 0-)

      to the Articles of Confederation power balance with its states' sovereignty and rights, no promotion of the general welfare, and state establishment of religion.

      It was a miserable failure, but it's still American.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 12:30:31 PM PDT

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    •  As a California medical marijuana patient.... (2+ / 0-)
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      Who has watched the administration and DOJ completely shit on the will of California voters and officials, I can see some appeal to the idea of ignoring federal laws that are far outside of the mainstream values and policies of individual states.

      Obviously, the GOP is not using this to promote sane, progressive policy, but I am not sure what, for example, California Democratic officials should do in the situation that Holder and his DOJ have created, in violation of their own campaign promises and public statements. Don't state officials have an obligation to fight for the will of their citizens?

      •  Historically, (2+ / 0-)
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        "States' Rights" has never been a liberal cause. Rather, it was the justification, first, for slavery, and after the Civil War, for Jim Crow.

        Nullification is unconstitutional for a reason. I hope the DoJ moves swiftly against the elected assholes of MO.

         Your elected officials should be working to change federal policy, not cancel it. It worked for marriage equality, and it will work for marijuana legalization; the tide of history is on your side.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 06:13:27 AM PDT

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