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  •  Four other dogs have a veto... (0+ / 0-)

    On enforcement of "international law", so-called. And two of those dogs care more about propping up the Syrian government than they do about human rights.

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    by SaoMagnifico on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 06:15:38 PM PDT

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    •  You include Britain and France in that? n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  Permanent members of the UNSC... (0+ / 0-)

        With veto power are: the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, and the People's Republic of China.

        Two of those countries (the U.S. and France) are considering military action.

        Two of those countries (Russia and the PRC) have committed to veto authorization of force at the UNSC.

        Among the P5, 3-2 isn't a winning vote. Even 4-1 isn't a winning vote. And there is no other way to enforce international law.

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        by SaoMagnifico on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 06:24:10 PM PDT

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        •  you mistake the UN (1+ / 0-)
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          for international law. They are not the same. International law predates the UN by centuries, and does not embody it.

          For example, the treaty invoked in this case dates from 1925, well before the UN existed. The biggest mistake people who really want to give teeth to international sanctions is placing all their eggs in the UN basket. The numbers you cite pretty much invalidate any legitimacy the UNSC can claim. The PRC and the Russian Federation have even less right to claim moral authority in international relations than the US.

          47 is the new 51!

          by nickrud on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 06:31:44 PM PDT

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        •  That doesn't match with your claim that (0+ / 0-)

          all four of them are trying to prop up Syria.

          •  Not what I said (0+ / 0-)

            Russia and the PRC are trying to prop up Syria; the U.S., France, and UK -- not coincidentally the only three liberal democracies among the group -- are not.

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            by SaoMagnifico on Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 10:12:05 PM PDT

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